Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

[Altair]

Tell him to create his own and then add to it. I am not the only one with long grass and a cane. I am talking students now. As for graduates, it is difficult I know to tell a person that has just completed a very expensive education that everything he took is good information but useless. In the meantime, every transport I see has Drivers Wanted on the barn doors. There are lots of jobs available just not too many executive starting roles. I love the words to Working at the Car Wash Blues. They describe the dilemma of many except that the writer did take the job at the car wash.

Okay. I'm a young person.

I want to mow your yard. But you're out of my way. Okay, get on the bus or uber. You tell me to bring my own equipment...Okay, now I need a lift. I may or may not have a car. Now i'm lugging lawn cutting equipment across town, from place to place. do this for 2-3 weeks and all the nearby low hanging fruit is taken. What then? And does every young person do this? Saturate the market much?

Not to mention not every young person is in the shape to be working outdoors across town. Sure some are, not all are.

The go make your own work is a noble idea, it's just not practical as a systemic solution.

 

[Altair]

No, I trust them. I'm not questioning whether the numbers accurately reflect the category. I absolutely deprecate the value of the category. Teenagers who almost entirely ought to be attending school and working part-time at most and are not legally responsible for themselves in many respects should not be lumped in with adults. What useful point do you think you can make with a number that mixes the part-time employment of legal children with the full-time employment of legal adults?

I'm not a statistician. I don't make the categories. Some great idea fairy decided that youth unemployment is 15-24.

But rather than throw the baby out with the bathwater, maybe gleam what you can from the statistics we have to go off of?

Again, all you're bring to the conversation is "I feel" or "I suspect". What do you base this on? What data? A gut feeling?

It's frustrating to have these conversations of I feel something thus it's fact.

 

[YZT580]

Okay. I'm a young person.

I want to mow your yard. But you're out of my way. Okay, get on the bus or uber. You tell me to bring my own equipment...Okay, now I need a lift. I may or may not have a car. Now i'm lugging lawn cutting equipment across town, from place to place. do this for 2-3 weeks and all the nearby low hanging fruit is taken. What then? And does every young person do this? Saturate the market much?

Not to mention not every young person is in the shape to be working outdoors across town. Sure some are, not all are.

The go make your own work is a noble idea, it's just not practical as a systemic solution.

strawman arguments. The point is there are options that don't involve just throwing your hands up in despair and saying what's the use before asking for MAID clearance because there is no point in going on. As I have said before; You are definitely a glass half empty kind of guy

 

[Altair]

strawman arguments. The point is there are options that don't involve just throwing your hands up in despair and saying what's the use before asking for MAID clearance because there is no point in going on. As I have said before; You are definitely a glass half empty kind of guy

Your solution to youth unemployment being work two jobs or make your own work is akin to let them eat cake.

Sorry if that's glass half empty, but your "solution" isn't reasonable by any metric.

Don't believe me, go on reddit, suggest that on any subreddit with young people and prepare to be laughed out the room.

 

[Czech_pivo]

I'm not a statistician. I don't make the categories. Some great idea fairy decided that youth unemployment is 15-24.

But rather than throw the baby out with the bathwater, maybe gleam what you can from the statistics we have to go off of?

Again, all you're bring to the conversation is "I feel" or "I suspect". What do you base this on? What data? A gut feeling?

It's frustrating to have these conversations of I feel something thus it's fact.

Supposedly StatsCan is following this guideline.

"The 15 to 24 age range used by Statistics Canada is the global standard set by the International Labour Organization (ILO) to specifically measure the transition of individuals from full-time education into the workforce."

"However, because the 15-24 bracket lumps together high-schoolers looking for part-time work with university graduates starting their careers, economists often break it down further (e.g., separating 15-19 from 20-24) to get a clearer picture of the job market"

The range of 15-19 and 20-24 is alot more logical and its a break (especially under the old 'Grade 13 era') of those in high school and those out of high school.

 

[Altair]

Supposedly StatsCan is following this guideline.

"The 15 to 24 age range used by Statistics Canada is the global standard set by the International Labour Organization (ILO) to specifically measure the transition of individuals from full-time education into the workforce."

"However, because the 15-24 bracket lumps together high-schoolers looking for part-time work with university graduates starting their careers, economists often break it down further (e.g., separating 15-19 from 20-24) to get a clearer picture of the job market"

The range of 15-19 and 20-24 is alot more logical and its a break (especially under the old 'Grade 13 era') of those in high school and those out of high school.

is there anywhere showing the 20-24 age group unemployment levels? Most recent thing I can find is from september 2025, at 11.3 percent, still high, but not exactly recent.

 

[Blackadder1916]

is there anywhere showing the 20-24 age group unemployment levels? Most recent thing I can find is from september 2025, at 11.3 percent, still high, but not exactly recent.

Students and other persons aged 15 to 24 by detailed age group, unadjusted for seasonality

none

www150.statcan.gc.ca

 

[Brad Sallows]

I'm not a statistician. I don't make the categories. Some great idea fairy decided that youth unemployment is 15-24.

Whatever it is they imagine it demonstrates, it doesn't support the point you want to make.

But rather than throw the baby out with the bathwater, maybe gleam what you can from the statistics we have to go off of?

Garbage in, garbage out.

 

[Altair]

Students and other persons aged 15 to 24 by detailed age group, unadjusted for seasonality

none

www150.statcan.gc.ca

13.3 percent, thanks.

@Brad Sallows so a little lower than under 15-19 year olds (18 percent). Still much higher than the overall unemployment rate. Satisfied?

 

[Brad Sallows]

13.3 percent, thanks.

@Brad Sallows so largely in line with the under 15-19 as well. Satisfied?

"Students 20 to 24 years" are still students, and presumably most are full-time occupied with being students.

"Other persons aged 15 to 24". Nope.

 

[Altair]

"Students 20 to 24 years" are still students, and presumably most are full-time occupied with being students.

"Other persons aged 15 to 24". Nope.

What do you want other than your personal feelings?

 

[Halifax Tar]

What do you want other than your personal feelings?

Agree with him, he wants to be right.

 

[Brad Sallows]

What do you want other than your personal feelings?

If we're going to bitch about unemployment among the young, it has to be a reasonably informed bitch.

Mixing high school age students, post-secondary students, and adult non-students into one lump doesn't inform us as to the unemployment faced by each of those distinct groups. One is underage, two are (or should be) full-time students, and only one is neither underage nor occupied by full-time studies (and thus in a position for which it's reasonable to expect them to work to support themselves, however they choose to live).

High unemployment among school age students seeking part-time work isn't a calamity. High unemployment among post-secondary students seeking part-time work is a bit more difficult since they have to pay their own way, but still isn't a calamity - it's possible to get loans for being a student, but considerably harder to get loans for being an unemployed idle adult. (Anyone who succeeds, let me know.)

Why should anyone accept a claim about apples supported by a number that is clearly a mix of apples, oranges, and pears?

 

[Brad Sallows]

Agree with him, he wants to be right.

Naw. I just want to know whether I should care about this plight facing young people. If the best that can be done is to decorate the landscape with data polluted by the prospects of teenagers, I just don't care. When people care enough about their causes to provide good data, I might care about their causes. Over to them.

 

[Altair]

If we're going to bitch about unemployment among the young, it has to be a reasonably informed bitch.

Mixing high school age students, post-secondary students, and adult non-students into one lump doesn't inform us as to the unemployment faced by each of those distinct groups. One is underage, two are (or should be) full-time students, and only one is neither underage nor occupied by full-time studies (and thus in a position for which it's reasonable to expect them to work to support themselves, however they choose to live).

High unemployment among school age students seeking part-time work isn't a calamity. High unemployment among post-secondary students seeking part-time work is a bit more difficult since they have to pay their own way, but still isn't a calamity - it's possible to get loans for being a student, but considerably harder to get loans for being an unemployed idle adult. (Anyone who succeeds, let me know.)

Why should anyone accept a claim about apples supported by a number that is clearly a mix of apples, oranges, and pears?

How about this. When you find a scrape of data pointing towards your hypothesis that young people are somehow not working as hard, or are as you put it," seeking to find the job they want to do for the amount of money they need for the lifestyle they want to live", feel free to share it with the class.

Otherwise...

 

[suffolkowner]

splitting the unemployment data at 19ish makes sense. They are two separate cohorts IMO
15-19
20-24
until this discussion i never would have thought differently

 

[Brad Sallows]

How about this. When you find a scrape of data pointing towards your hypothesis that young people are somehow not working as hard, or are as you put it," seeking to find the job they want to do for the amount of money they need for the lifestyle they want to live", feel free to share it with the class.

I'm just spitballing. If financial nihilists are going to behave like incels, that's on them, irrespective of causes/excuses.

 

[Altair]

I'm just spitballing. If financial nihilists are going to behave like incels, that's on them, irrespective of causes/excuses.

If someone is told they have a terminal disease, does that person save their money for a future they will never see? No.

Young people are being told they will never have the future their parents had no matter how hard they work, if they can even get it.

Naturally they will behave the same way. They have been told, and are experiencing, that they are being handed a terminal financial future.

 

[YZT580]

Your solution to youth unemployment being work two jobs or make your own work is akin to let them eat cake.

Sorry if that's glass half empty, but your "solution" isn't reasonable by any metric.

Don't believe me, go on reddit, suggest that on any subreddit with young people and prepare to be laughed out the room.

so the gossip on Reddit is more valid than real life? You can't base your life on what other people say or do. That is why all those immigrants are running more and more businesses and Canadians are working for them when they can get a job since first dibs go to family. Those immigrants work as many jobs as required to achieve their goals. And no I didn't say that was the solution to youth unemployment. In fact I listed all the handicaps that WASP kids have to circumvent to even get a job including the ones that they or their family have erected or did you do your normal thing and just focus on one line? Your remarks simply raised barriers that might or might not exist, barriers that a little planning can overcome

Agree with him, he wants to be right.

He's never agreed with anyone.
. And I wasn't the one who introduced having two jobs I simply asked what was the problem with working two jobs (if you can find them)

 

[Brad Sallows]

If someone is told they have a terminal disease, does that person save their money for a future they will never see? No.

Young people are being told they will never have the future their parents had no matter how hard they work, if they can even get it.

Naturally they will behave the same way. They have been told, and are experiencing, that they are being handed a terminal financial future.

Sure. The fact it means they spend more on themselves right now has nothing to do with it.

Despair is a sin.