Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

[Czech_pivo]

I've advocated for closer ties to the US. Geography, economic and military power house, social and cultural similarities...

That has been met with criticism here by the very people who are now gleeful about closer ties to the EU.

What advantages does closer ties to the EU have over closer ties to the USA?

We had all of the that right up until Nov of 2024. We had the 'best trade agreement ever signed in the history of the world'.

We would still have ALL of this if a certain President didn't decide to ignore it all and decide to blow it all up. Correct?

 

[brihard]

I've advocated for closer ties to the US. Geography, economic and military power house, social and cultural similarities...

That has been met with criticism here by the very people who are now gleeful about closer ties to the EU.

What advantages does closer ties to the EU have over closer ties to the USA?

Diversification and balancing risk.

In all of the categories you name, our relationships are already heavily weighted to the U.S. in some categories like social and cultural, that’s not a great risk. In realms like economic development, trade, supply chains, military equipment and partnerships, at a certain point concentration and overweighting becomes vulnerability, which is exactly what we’ve seen with Trump using our economic and trait ties as a weapon, threatening us with economic harm to try to get his way.

Expanding trade and military ties with other partners, including but not limited to Europe, is a classic investment hedge. By restoring more geographic balance to our various exposures, it reduces the ability of one actor to hurt us either deliberately or through dependency dynamics that stumble when they encounter their own problems.

Getting still closer to the U.S. makes us more dependent and vulnerable. Spreading out and diversifying elsewhere makes us less dependent on and vulnerable to that one hegemony.

 

[MrWhyt]

I've advocated for closer ties to the US. Geography, economic and military power house, social and cultural similarities...

That has been met with criticism here by the very people who are now gleeful about closer ties to the EU.

What advantages does closer ties to the EU have over closer ties to the USA?

Governments that aren't led by stupid venal egomaniacal bullies?

 

[daftandbarmy]

Governments that aren't led by stupid venal egomaniacal bullies?

You mean like the average politician, right?

 

[HavokFour]

Gonna be a busy session.

PM Carney says EU partnership to go to debate, vote in Parliament

Prime Minister Mark Carney says a proposed enhanced partnership with the European Union will be put up for debate and a final vote in Parliament.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[PPCLI Guy]

At least they all don't shop at Brooks Brothers like in the US.....

They wear it to get ahead of a trend. Brooks Brothers has already declared bankruptcy after 202 years in operation, so it makes sense to maintain that look until the US completes its journey to bankruptcy after 250 years in business....

 

[brihard]

Gonna be a busy session.

PM Carney says EU partnership to go to debate, vote in Parliament

Prime Minister Mark Carney says a proposed enhanced partnership with the European Union will be put up for debate and a final vote in Parliament.

www.ctvnews.ca

Good that he’s come out up front to say it’ll be debated. Parliament isn’t required to weigh in on diplomacy save to the extend of passing any legislation that may be necessary to give effect to a treaty- but putting it to Parliament will take some of the wind out of the criticism.

 

[Czech_pivo]

They wear it to get ahead of a trend. Brooks Brothers has already declared bankruptcy after 202 years in operation, so it makes sense to maintain that look until the US completes its journey to bankruptcy after 250 years in business....

You can still shop at BB in the US.

 

[QV]

With all the complaints about US threats to our sovereignty, it will be quite interesting to learn what Canada must trade for "associate member" of the EU.

What will be changed from CETA is anyone's guess.

 

[PrairieFella]

With all the complaints about US threats to our sovereignty, it will be quite interesting to learn what Canada must trade for "associate member" of the EU.

What will be changed from CETA is anyone's guess.

Surely you can admit that diversifying our international is a good thing right? More customers.

 

[Lumber]

Surely you can admit that diversifying our international is a good thing right? More customers.

Only if it its the CPC that initiates it, otherwise, it's bad.

 

[YZT580]

Surely you can admit that diversifying our international is a good thing right? More customers.

only if it doesn't include marriage.

 

[Good2Golf]

They wear it to get ahead of a trend. Brooks Brothers has already declared bankruptcy after 202 years in operation, so it makes sense to maintain that look until the US completes its journey to bankruptcy after 250 years in business....

Introducing the signature ‘Chapter 11’ line of fine fashion from the post-Chapter 11 Brooks Brothers brand name made by tailors…not in the USA…on brand indeed.

You can still shop at BB in the US.

In name only. Not the quality that America BB was before the bankruptcy(ies).

Authentic Brands Group: The $20B Empire That Makes Nothing

Authentic Brands Group owns Brooks Brothers, Eddie Bauer, Champion, Dockers, Forever 21, Billabong, Sports Illustrated, and 40+ other brands. It makes none of them. Inside the $20B licensing model.

www.worseonpurpose.com

 

[QV]

Surely you can admit that diversifying our international is a good thing right? More customers.

Absolutely. When Germany and Japan came asking for LNG, I was all for that as an example, however the LPC didn't believe there was a business case then.

I'm interested in the fine print regarding any kind of association with the EU. Full member countries lose some controls... what will that entail for "associates"?

I note CETA already exists and remains provisional after 9 years... so the EU hasn't fully supported that free trade agreement yet.... what new concessions will Canada need to make to be an associate member? Will that include being a party to the EU's Migration Pact? I mention that one as I think it will be a particular wrinkle with our closest neighbor and our shared porous border.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Well its a good thing that any proposed agreements will be put in front of Parliament to discuss, vote on and possibly enact.

Absolutely. When Germany and Japan came asking for LNG, I was all for that as an example, however the LPC didn't believe there was a business case then.

I'm interested in the fine print regarding any kind of association with the EU. Full member countries lose some controls... what will that entail for "associates"?

I note CETA already exists and remains provisional after 9 years... so the EU hasn't fully supported that free trade agreement yet.... what new concessions will Canada need to make to be an associate member? Will that include being a party to the EU's Migration Pact? I mention that one as I think it will be a particular wrinkle with our closest neighbor and our shared porous border.

 

[Czech_pivo]

As Carney Heads to Europe, 4 in 5 Canadians Support Closer Integration with the EU - Abacus Data

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abacusdata.ca

If the project to expand Churchill for 80-90$ billion was funded by say the Sovereign Fund of Norway and the CPPIB to have multiple rail lines, all weather road, expanded port facilities for shipping potash, pulse and grain exports and critical minerals, a floating LNG terminal and a 1m+ bpd oil pipeline/port, with sufficient ice breaking for 12 month shipping, I wonder if the 37% approval for Canada to join the EU in Alberta/Sask/MB would climb to levels seen in QC and BC?

 

[MilEME09]

According to this Mark Carney has achieved the highest approval rating in Canadian history. If verified that would be quite the feat for a rookie politician

Liberals lead 49%-29%. Approval of Carney government climbs to new…

Canadian voters are galvanized by Trump’s attacks and aligned with Carney’s approach.

sparkadvocacy.ca

 

[HavokFour]

According to this Mark Carney has achieved the highest approval rating in Canadian history. If verified that would be quite the feat for a rookie politician

Liberals lead 49%-29%. Approval of Carney government climbs to new…

Canadian voters are galvanized by Trump’s attacks and aligned with Carney’s approach.

sparkadvocacy.ca

He's going to be around for a while then, if you consider how long Trudeau managed to stick around not anywhere near that level. 10-12 years easy baring any colossal screw ups post-Trump.

 

[lenaitch]

Well its a good thing that any proposed agreements will be put in front of Parliament to discuss, vote on and possibly enact.

Exactly. We need flesh on the bones to determine whether this is going to be a good relationship for us, as opposed to condemning it as either a 'sell out' or full membership right from the first media story.

Either way, it is up to us to determine the length and breadth of our international relationships, not the US.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I've advocated for closer ties to the US. Geography, economic and military power house, social and cultural similarities...

That has been met with criticism here by the very people who are now gleeful about closer ties to the EU.

What advantages does closer ties to the EU have over closer ties to the USA?

It just caters to bog standard hate America Canadianism. It feeds biases is all. And Trump has simply given the green light for that the to be very publicly displayed.

Anyways I just wish Canada would realize we have no friends only interests and stop trying to run from the bosom of one greater empire to the other.

But geographically and culturally were just northern Wisconsinites, Mainers and Oregonians.