6 Jan 2020 U.S. Events (Split from A Deeply Fractured US)

[Altair]

So the internet chatter and evidence of instructions to the mob to bring bats, flagpoles, bear spray, Kevlar helmets and vests and trauma kits would not be part of a planning process? Given that thousands did I’d say they had quite a network to get the word out. And I’m not saying this was some sort of sophisticated plan. I think it was the equivalent of dropping a bunch of rabid honey badgers into a crowd and see what happens. Sometimes it does not take much.

Did any elected officials get injured, killed, hanged or otherwise that day? Would that not be an indication of success at protecting elected officials? Now I agree that the capitol being breached is not a success. But is also pretty unprecedented would you not say?

And I hope they get to the bottom of the intelligence and communications failures that happened. This sort of thing should never be allowed to happen again. So when the FBI says the greatest terrorist threats to the US come from the right wing extremists that maybe people will stop minimizing that and dismissing it. Jan 6th proved it.

Just like airport security ramped up and never really ramped down post 9-11, I think we are going to be seeing national guard troops on election certification day for the foreseeable future.

Same way that in Canada when a gunman stormed the hill, we created a new federal agency to deal with security on the hill, Parliamentary Protective Service.

 

[Remius]

Next time there is a MAGA rally in DC or a Democrat wins the presidency, have APCs and lethal overwatch ready.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Next time there is a MAGA rally in DC or a Democrat wins the presidency, have APCs and lethal overwatch ready.

Well they had snipers watching a bunch of Canadian gun owners protesting.

 

[mariomike]

Next time there is a MAGA rally in DC or a Democrat wins the presidency, have APCs and lethal overwatch ready.

One of the police officers put it this way,

https://twitter.com/x/status/1420061175602106375

The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff reportedly said,

"These are the same people we fought in World War 2."

Gen. Mark Milley Compared Trump Supporters To Nazis: ‘These Are The Same People We Fought In World War II’

General Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, compared supporters of former President Donald Trump to Nazis, according to a new book. Milley, who has been widely criticized for being “woke,” claimed that Trump was preaching “the gospel of the Führer” when he contested the...

www.dailywire.com

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[kkwd]

The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff reportedly said,

Gen. Mark Milley Compared Trump Supporters To Nazis: ‘These Are The Same People We Fought In World War II’

General Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, compared supporters of former President Donald Trump to Nazis, according to a new book. Milley, who has been widely criticized for being “woke,” claimed that Trump was preaching “the gospel of the Führer” when he contested the...

www.dailywire.com

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Conspiracy theories fronted by the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs? Not a good look at all. A Reichstag moment indeed. He should explain that in full as soon as possible. But as per the Daily Wire article, he is too busy trying to understand "White Rage". He is studying theories that are out there? He Maybe he should study them behind closed doors and release his report later.

Milley stirred controversy during a recent hearing in front of Congress in which he said he wanted to understand “white rage” and that he found it “offensive” that he was being accused of turning the military “woke” because “we’re studying some theories that are out there.”

 

[Altair]

Conspiracy theories fronted by the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs? Not a good look at all. A Reichstag moment indeed. He should explain that in full as soon as possible. But as per the Daily Wire article, he is too busy trying to understand "White Rage". He is studying theories that are out there? He Maybe he should study them behind closed doors and release his report later.

Support our troops!

Unless they say something you don't like, then screw that guy.

 

[kkwd]

For anyone interested here the time line of the days leading up to and including January 6th. You can find the offers of support to USCP and refusals. As per the document DOD support was authorized on January 3rd with presidential approval. One police officer mentioned in the hearings today that they were unprepared for the riot. The question is what was the leadership of the USCP doing in the days leading up to January 6th. USCP being a wholly controlled entity of Congress and administered by a committee of such. A future hearing should include testimony of those memebrs of Congress responsible for USPC and what they did or didn't do and what they may have known. Sending the inquiry down the road of trying of find all the facts would be incomplete without the participation of all involved.
Planning And Execution Timeline

This timeline is intended to memorialize the planning and execution efforts of the Department of Defense to address the Violent Attack at the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021.
The timeline is as follows:
Thursday, December 31, 2020 (New Year’s Eve)
• Mayor Muriel Bowser and Dr. Christopher Rodriguez, D.C. Director of Homeland Security and Emergency Management Agency, deliver a written request for D.C. National Guard (DCNG) support to D.C. Metro Police Department (MPD) and Fire and Emergency Service.
Saturday, January 2, 2021
• The Acting Secretary of Defense (A/SD) confers with the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (CJCS) and the Secretary of the Army (SECARMY) on the Mayor’s written request.
Sunday, January 3, 2021
• DoD confirms with U.S. Capitol Police (USCP) that there is no request for DoD support.
• A/SD meets with select Cabinet Members to discuss DoD support to law enforcement agencies and potential requirements for DoD support.
• A/SD and CJCS meet with the President. President concurs in activation of the DCNG to support law enforcement.
Monday, January 4, 2021
• USCP confirms there is no requirement for DoD support in a phone call with SECARMY.
• The A/SD, in consultation with CJCS, SECARMY, and DoD General Counsel (GC), reviews the Department’s plan to be prepared to provide support to civil authorities, if asked, and approves activation of 340 members of the DCNG to support Mayor Bowser’s request.
o Support provided in response to Mayor Bowser’s request includes support at:
Traffic Control Points: 90 personnel (180 total/2 shifts); Metro station support: 24 personnel (48 total/2 shifts); Weapons of Mass Destruction Civil
Support Team: 20 personnel; and Internal Command and Control: 52 personnel.
o A/SD also authorizes SECARMY to deploy a Quick Reaction Force (40 personnel staged at Joint Base Andrews) if additional support is requested by civil authorities.
Tuesday, January 5, 2021
• Mayor Bowser delivers a letter addressed to the Acting Attorney General, A/SD, and SECARMY confirming that there are no additional support requirements from the D.C.
• 255 DCNG arrive in D.C. and begin to manage traffic control points alongside local law enforcement.
Wednesday, January 6, 2021
0830: A/SD and CJCS review DoD plan to support law enforcement agencies and request an exercise regarding DoD contingency response options.
1130: A/SD participates in table-top exercise regarding DoD contingency response options.
1305: A/SD receives open source reports of demonstrator movements to U.S. Capitol.
1326: USCP orders evacuation of Capitol complex.
1334: SECARMY phone call with Mayor Bowser in which Mayor Bowser communicates
request for unspecified number of additional forces.
1349: Commanding General, DCNG, Walker phone call with USCP Chief Sund. Chief Sund
communicates request for immediate assistance.
1422: SECARMY phone call with D.C. Mayor, Deputy Mayor, Dr. Rodriguez, and MPD leadership to discuss the current situation and to request additional DCNG support. 1430: A/SD, CJCS, and SECARMY meet to discuss USCP and Mayor Bowser’s requests. 1500: A/SD determines all available forces of the DCNG are required to reinforce MPD and USCP positions to support efforts to reestablish security of the Capitol complex. 1500: SECARMY directs DCNG to prepare available Guardsmen to move from the armory to the Capitol complex, while seeking formal approval from A/SD for deployment. DCNG
prepares to move 150 personnel to support USCP, pending A/SD’s approval.
1504: A/SD, with advice from CJCS, DoD GC, the Chief of the National Guard Bureau (CNGB), SECARMY, and the Chief of Staff of the Army, provides verbal approval of the full activation of DCNG (1100 total) in support of the MPD. Immediately upon A/SD approval, Secretary McCarthy directs DCNG to initiate movement and full mobilization. In response, DCNG redeployed all soldiers from positions at Metro stations and all available non-support and non-C2 personnel to support MPD. DCNG begins full mobilization.
1519: SECARMY phone call with Senator Schumer and Speaker Pelosi about the nature of Mayor Bowser’s request. SECARMY explains A/SD already approved full DCNG mobilization.
1526: SECARMY phone call with Mayor Bowser and MPD police chief relays there was no denial of their request, and conveys A/SD approval of the activation of full DCNG.
1546: CNGB phone call with the Adjutant General (TAG) of Virginia to discuss support in
Washington D.C. TAG said Governor had ordered mobilization of forces at 1532.
1548: SECARMY departs Pentagon for MPD HQ. 1555: CNGB phone call with TAG of Maryland to discuss support in Washington D.C. TAG
said governor ordered the mobilization of the rapid response force. TAG reports Governor
had ordered mobilization of the rapid response force at 1547. 1610: SECARMY arrives at MPD HQ.
1618: A/SD, CJCS, SECARMY, and CNGB discuss availability of National Guard (NG) forces from other States in the region. A/SD gives voice approval for out-of-State NG forces to muster and to be prepared to deploy to D.C.
1632: A/SD provides verbal authorization to re-mission DCNG to conduct perimeter and clearance operations in support of USCP. SECARMY to provide public notification of support.
1640: SECARMY phone call with Governor of Maryland. Governor to send Maryland NG troops to D.C., expected to arrive on January 7, 2021.
1702: Departure of 154 DCNG from D.C. Armory in support of USCP. Arrive at Capitol at 1740, swear in with USCP, and begin support operations.
1745: A/SD signs formal authorization for out-of-State NG to muster and gives voice approval for deployment in support of USCP. 1814: USCP, MPD, and DCNG successfully establish perimeter on the west side of the U.S. Capitol.
1936: A/SD provides vocal approval to lease fences in support of the USCP for security of the
Capitol building. 2000: USCP declares Capitol building secure.
Note: This document has been updated to more appropriately reflect the characterization of events at the U.S. Capitol on January 6th.

 

[Altair]

For anyone interested here the time line of the days leading up to and including January 6th. You can find the offers of support to USCP and refusals. As per the document DOD support was authorized on January 3rd with presidential approval. One police officer mentioned in the hearings today that they were unprepared for the riot. The question is what was the leadership of the USCP doing in the days leading up to January 6th. USCP being a wholly controlled entity of Congress and administered by a committee of such. A future hearing should include testimony of those memebrs of Congress responsible for USPC and what they did or didn't do and what they may have known. Sending the inquiry down the road of trying of find all the facts would be incomplete without the participation of all involved.
Planning And Execution Timeline

One question I suppose never gets asked...

Why should Capital police have been expecting a mob to rush the capital building for what is largely a ceremonial confirmation of election results that has passed by without incident for generations?

 

[mariomike]

he is too busy trying to understand "White Rage".

Yes. The General is trying to understand "White Rage".

 

[kkwd]

Yes. The General is trying to understand "White Rage".

A retired soldier had this to say,

https://twitter.com/x/status/1407818187794681857

Imagine you are a United States service member. What would you think if the highest ranking service member was focused on a matter that has to do with your skin colour. It is a hit to moral for sure. Like I said, do it in private and release any findings later if warranted. As for his comabt service, that has nothing to do with this. His current actions are what is under the microscope.

 

[mariomike]

Imagine you are a United States service member. What would you think if the highest ranking service member was focused on a matter that has to do with your skin colour. It is a hit to moral for sure. Like I said, do it in private and release any findings later if warranted. As for his comabt service, that has nothing to do with this. His current actions are what is under the microscope.

Matt Gaetz asked. The General answered.

If you don't like his answer, I can't help you.

 

[kkwd]

Matt Gaetz asked. The General answered.

If you don't like his answer, I can't help you.

I can accept that. But my answer still stands, he needs to be accountable for his current actions.
By the way, I was surprised shocked you posted an article from a conservative site, administered by no other than Ben Shapiro.

 

[mariomike]

I can accept that. But my answer still stands, he needs to be accountable for his current actions.

We should all be held accountable for our actions. If not in this world, maybe in the next.

Anyway, what could "White Rage" possibly have to do with,

6 Jan 2020 U.S. Events (Split from A Deeply Fractured US)

So the internet chatter and evidence of instructions to the mob to bring bats, flagpoles, bear spray, Kevlar helmets and vests and trauma kits would not be part of a planning process? Given that thousands did I’d say they had quite a network to get the word out. And I’m not saying this was...

army.ca

 

[kkwd]

Anyway, what could "White Rage" possibly have to do with,

6 Jan 2020 U.S. Events (Split from A Deeply Fractured US)

So the internet chatter and evidence of instructions to the mob to bring bats, flagpoles, bear spray, Kevlar helmets and vests and trauma kits would not be part of a planning process? Given that thousands did I’d say they had quite a network to get the word out. And I’m not saying this was...

army.ca

Nothing. How can this be classified as racial violence with the main evidence being "most of the dudes were white".

 

[Brad Sallows]

>Officer Cleared In The Shooting Death Of Ashli Babbitt During Capitol Riot

Thank goodness no officer in the US has ever been wrongly cleared of something that should never have happened.

 

[Mick]

For anyone interested here the time line of the days leading up to and including January 6th. You can find the offers of support to USCP and refusals. As per the document DOD support was authorized on January 3rd with presidential approval. One police officer mentioned in the hearings today that they were unprepared for the riot. The question is what was the leadership of the USCP doing in the days leading up to January 6th. USCP being a wholly controlled entity of Congress and administered by a committee of such. A future hearing should include testimony of those memebrs of Congress responsible for USPC and what they did or didn't do and what they may have known. Sending the inquiry down the road of trying of find all the facts would be incomplete without the participation of all involved.

Not really an accurate depiction of how the USCP operates.

The Chief reports to the Capitol Police Board, which consists of the Sgts-At-Arms of the House and Senate, and the Architect of the Capitol. This is not a House or Senate committee.

Congress ensures oversight via 4 appropriations / authorizing committees:

-House Committee on Appropriations, Subcommittee on Legislative Branch
-Senate Committee on Appropriations, Subcommittee on Legislative Branch
-Committee on House Administration
-Senate Committee on Rules and Administration

The House committees were chaired by Democrats, while the Senate's were chaired by Republicans, if that matters to you.

To imply that representatives / senators exercise operational control over the USCP is inaccurate.

edit to add link: Oversight

 

[mariomike]

By the way, I was surprised shocked you posted an article from a conservative site, administered by no other than Ben Shapiro.

Anything to keep you happy, kkwd.

"most of the dudes were white".

I wasn't there, kkwd. You be the judge,
capitol rioters pictures - Google Search

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

One question I suppose never gets asked...

Why should Capital police have been expecting a mob to rush the capital building for what is largely a ceremonial confirmation of election results that has passed by without incident for generations?

Ummm....because intel??

So all these morons "planned" this takeover of the Govt. on the internet but no one on the security side thought to read it??

Again, ass covering on a grand scale probably unseen before. I'd wager the participants are getting deals in sentencing if they make themselves appear like they had anything more then a plan to show up and act like idiots.

 

[Remius]

Imagine you are a United States service member. What would you think if the highest ranking service member was focused on a matter that has to do with your skin colour. It is a hit to moral for sure. Like I said, do it in private and release any findings later if warranted. As for his comabt service, that has nothing to do with this. His current actions are what is under the microscope.

Maybe Matt Gates should have asked something else then. But he’s too busy fighting off legal issues with underaged kids.

thanks. The general is way more credible than the politician.

 

[Remius]

Ummm....because intel??

So all these morons "planned" this takeover of the Govt. on the internet but no one on the security side thought to read it??

Again, ass covering on a grand scale probably unseen before. I'd wager the participants are getting deals in sentencing if they make themselves appear like they had anything more then a plan to show up and act like idiots.

Under Trump’s administration, seems about as good a reason for that side not to want a deep dive into this. Nah, they are making deals because their so called morals and beliefs only go so far,