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They are going to get absolutely killed in a general election.
British Columbia NDP Majority Government 2024-(no later than) 2029
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If media sound bites are anything to go by, they sure think a lot about the interests and welfare of the very small indigenous minority of the province. As for the rest of the population, I have no idea.
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Is BC really a Representative Parliamentary Democracy if every decision of the Legislature can be over turned because a First Nation Elder somewhere objects?
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I am not sure what to make of the predicament the people who climbed on the UNDRIP bandwagon have placed us in. UNDRIP is a declaration, not a treaty, and the enabling legislation (federal and provincial) is entirely self-inflicted.
Everyone in the province who is non-indigenous also owns, occupies, and uses lands. There is only one side of the two that is overwhelmingly responsible for all the improvements that make first-world living possible. There are not many people I know who do not quietly observe that it is a strange thing that the people who are responsible for almost all of the improvements should pay rents in order to be able to make the improvements.
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So what is a First Nation in any case? And who qualifies for membership?
globalnews.ca/news/11817158/metis-self-governance-treaty-first-nations-opposed/
www.mmf.mb.ca
halifax.citynews.ca
www.firstpeopleslaw.com
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Rejection and Stigma Factors
Perception of "Less Indigenous": Off-reserve members often struggle with a fabricated, harmful concept that they are "less Indigenous" or have "abandoned their Indigeneity" compared to those living on reserve.
Political Disenfranchisement: Off-reserve members often face challenges in band voting, consultation, and decision-making, as and many programs are designed to serve on-reserve populations.
Social Stigma: Some individuals leaving report being met with negativity from family or community members, with accusations of not wanting to "come home and help the family".
"Disconnectedness": Those who leave often face loneliness and a lack of cultural connection, which can lead to feeling caught between two worlds, often feeling isolated from both their home community and non-Indigenous society.
Historical Context and Legal Frameworks
The Pass System: From 1885 to the 1940s, a "pass system" made it illegal for First Nations people to leave their reserve without written permission, setting a historical precedent that leaving was disloyal or prohibited.
Enfranchisement: Historically, voluntary or forced "enfranchisement" meant that to gain rights as Canadian citizens (like voting), First Nations people had to give up their Indian status and right to live on the reserve.
Second Generation Cut-off: Current legislation (Bill C-31 related) still poses risks for future generations to lose status if they do not parent with another status Indian, adding to the feeling of disconnection.
Current Reality
Majority Live Off-Reserve: Despite these challenges, roughly 60% of First Nations people with Registered/Treaty status now live off-reserve.
Urban Challenges: Those who move to cities often face high rates of unemployment, poverty, and racism, and struggle to access services that are exclusively available on-reserve.
Need for Reform: The Congress of Aboriginal Peoples (CAP) and others advocate for the recognition of off-reserve rights, arguing that federal policy currently focuses too heavily on band-based, on-reserve structures.
Ongoing Challenges and Community Rejection
Band Membership vs. Status: While the federal government controls "status," First Nations bands control their own membership. Some bands, due to limited resources, housing shortages, or internal politics, may not recognize the reinstated status of women and their children, leading to rejection at the community level.
Internal Band Laws: Some communities, such as the Kahnawake Mohawk community, have historically enforced "marry out, stay out" laws, pressuring mixed-race families to leave or denying them housing and services.
Generational Impact: The legacy of these laws continues to cause "identity chaos" and discord, as different generations within the same family may hold different statuses.
And then we have who holds what lands and who speaks for which congregation.
We have had over 1000 years of creating metis that incorporate white blood in native lines. The process continues today.
And we have a longer history of native-native metis - Oji-Cree comes immediately to mind.
....
I am an Anglo-Scot metis born in Scotland, with a Scottish mother and an English father. I married a girl from Saskatchewan with a 400 year history in Canada speaking French with some members of the family believing they can trace one line of their ancestry to a man believed to be French-Indian metis four generations ago.
What are my kids' rights?
globalnews.ca/news/11817158/metis-self-governance-treaty-first-nations-opposed/
Métis Nation of Ontario's attempt to gain self- government recognition is not right
Including the Métis Nation of Ontario in Bill C-53 would reward identity theft by thousands of individuals who've banded together to claim an identity, rights and benefits to which they are not entitled.
Indigenous identity summit commits to advocating against NunatuKavut, Ontario Métis
OTTAWA — A two-day summit on Indigenous identity fraud wrapped up Wednesday with a message to Canada: we’re joining forces, and we want action to curb the epidemic. The summit, hosted by the Manitoba Métis Federation and the Chiefs of Ontario, was lauded by First Nations, Inuit and Red River...
halifax.citynews.ca
Bill S-2 and the Second-Generation Cut-Off | Patricia Lawrence
If passed into law, Bill S-2 will eliminate the discrimination faced by those who were forced to give up Indian status in exchange for basic rights enjoyed by other Canadians. This process was called “enfranchisement”. The Bill is currently being considered by a Senate Committee.
www.firstpeopleslaw.com
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Rejection and Stigma Factors
Perception of "Less Indigenous": Off-reserve members often struggle with a fabricated, harmful concept that they are "less Indigenous" or have "abandoned their Indigeneity" compared to those living on reserve.
Political Disenfranchisement: Off-reserve members often face challenges in band voting, consultation, and decision-making, as and many programs are designed to serve on-reserve populations.
Social Stigma: Some individuals leaving report being met with negativity from family or community members, with accusations of not wanting to "come home and help the family".
"Disconnectedness": Those who leave often face loneliness and a lack of cultural connection, which can lead to feeling caught between two worlds, often feeling isolated from both their home community and non-Indigenous society.
Historical Context and Legal Frameworks
The Pass System: From 1885 to the 1940s, a "pass system" made it illegal for First Nations people to leave their reserve without written permission, setting a historical precedent that leaving was disloyal or prohibited.
Enfranchisement: Historically, voluntary or forced "enfranchisement" meant that to gain rights as Canadian citizens (like voting), First Nations people had to give up their Indian status and right to live on the reserve.
Second Generation Cut-off: Current legislation (Bill C-31 related) still poses risks for future generations to lose status if they do not parent with another status Indian, adding to the feeling of disconnection.
Current Reality
Majority Live Off-Reserve: Despite these challenges, roughly 60% of First Nations people with Registered/Treaty status now live off-reserve.
Urban Challenges: Those who move to cities often face high rates of unemployment, poverty, and racism, and struggle to access services that are exclusively available on-reserve.
Need for Reform: The Congress of Aboriginal Peoples (CAP) and others advocate for the recognition of off-reserve rights, arguing that federal policy currently focuses too heavily on band-based, on-reserve structures.
Ongoing Challenges and Community Rejection
Band Membership vs. Status: While the federal government controls "status," First Nations bands control their own membership. Some bands, due to limited resources, housing shortages, or internal politics, may not recognize the reinstated status of women and their children, leading to rejection at the community level.
Internal Band Laws: Some communities, such as the Kahnawake Mohawk community, have historically enforced "marry out, stay out" laws, pressuring mixed-race families to leave or denying them housing and services.
Generational Impact: The legacy of these laws continues to cause "identity chaos" and discord, as different generations within the same family may hold different statuses.
And then we have who holds what lands and who speaks for which congregation.
We have had over 1000 years of creating metis that incorporate white blood in native lines. The process continues today.
And we have a longer history of native-native metis - Oji-Cree comes immediately to mind.
....
I am an Anglo-Scot metis born in Scotland, with a Scottish mother and an English father. I married a girl from Saskatchewan with a 400 year history in Canada speaking French with some members of the family believing they can trace one line of their ancestry to a man believed to be French-Indian metis four generations ago.
What are my kids' rights?
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Status card? No?
Stand in line with the rest of us schmucks
Some in the family have gone that route. Not a universally popular decision.
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My kids labour under the apprehension (mis or otherwise) that they are Canadians.
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Unsurprising...
The B.C. Conservatives now hold a 10-point lead over the NDP as support for Premier David Eby’s government sinks to a multi-year low, according to a new poll.
The Angus Reid Institute poll, released Tuesday, suggests growing voter dissatisfaction with the government’s handling of issues related to B.C. First Nations.
Eby’s approval rating, meanwhile, has sunk to 33 per cent in April, with more than half of British Columbians (55 per cent) saying the NDP leader has done a bad job balancing Aboriginal title with private property rights.
Even voters who had supported the NDP in the last election have mixed reviews on Eby’s performance, with 41 per cent saying he has done a good job on the file versus 34 per cent saying he did poorly.
The self-commissioned Angus Reid Institute survey results echo the results of a Leger poll that found weakening support for the NDP and Eby.
vancouversun.com
B.C. Conservatives have 10-point lead over NDP amid DRIPA uncertainty: Poll
An Angus Reid Institute survey points to dissatisfaction with Premier David Eby's handling of Indigenous fileThe B.C. Conservatives now hold a 10-point lead over the NDP as support for Premier David Eby’s government sinks to a multi-year low, according to a new poll.
The Angus Reid Institute poll, released Tuesday, suggests growing voter dissatisfaction with the government’s handling of issues related to B.C. First Nations.
Eby’s approval rating, meanwhile, has sunk to 33 per cent in April, with more than half of British Columbians (55 per cent) saying the NDP leader has done a bad job balancing Aboriginal title with private property rights.
Even voters who had supported the NDP in the last election have mixed reviews on Eby’s performance, with 41 per cent saying he has done a good job on the file versus 34 per cent saying he did poorly.
The self-commissioned Angus Reid Institute survey results echo the results of a Leger poll that found weakening support for the NDP and Eby.
B.C. Conservatives have 10-point lead over NDP amid DRIPA uncertainty: Poll
An Angus Reid Institute survey points to dissatisfaction with Premier David Eby's handling of Indigenous file. Find out more.
vancouversun.com
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And now a US-based group (Sinixt) is asserting legal rights in Canada.
It doesn't really matter what their prospects of success are; there shouldn't be any foundation for this at all.
It just gets better and better.
Meanwhile, we can afford to wait a few months to sort all this shit out.
It doesn't really matter what their prospects of success are; there shouldn't be any foundation for this at all.
It just gets better and better.
Meanwhile, we can afford to wait a few months to sort all this shit out.
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The flight of capital continues in the face of self-inflicted chaos...
Rob Shaw: Businesses pulling investment from B.C. over DRIPA uncertainty, poll finds
Business Council of B.C. survey shows widespread plans to cut spending and hiring amid growing legal and political uncertainty
Premier David Eby’s plummeting approval numbers aren’t the only figures the NDP government needs to worry about when it comes to the backlash over Indigenous reconciliation and private property rights. Many B.C. businesses are reporting they plan to scale back operations due to the conflict as well.
Almost 74 per cent of B.C. businesses plan to decrease investment due to uncertainty over the Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples Act, according to a new survey of senior executives Wednesday by the Business Council of B.C.
The majority cite increased time, cost, complexity or uncertainty in permitting caused by the court rulings, policy flips and changing landscape around the NDP’s DRIPA. As many as one-third said they plan to reduce hiring.
“The desire to work with Indigenous communities to create prosperity for all remains strong but the message from business leaders is clear: DRIPA isn’t working,” said BCBC president Laura Jones.
The Business Council found 98 per cent of its members do not believe DRIPA had helped “create further certainty for investment” as Premier John Horgan promised when he passed the law in 2019. And 90 per cent believe it should be repealed or amended.
The plunge in business confidence is almost as steep as the freefall the premier and government find themselves in amongst voter opinion.
Eby’s approval rating has plummeted 20 percentage points in the past year to sit at 33 per cent—his lowest, by far, since taking office in 2022, according to new figures by the Angus Reid Institute.
“Still-leaderless BC Conservatives open 10-point lead over NDP amid DRIPA uncertainty,” read the headline on the poll.
The Angus Reid figures largely reflected those of the business survey, showing a majority of respondents think the B.C. government’s reconciliation policies have become bad for the province. The numbers are not outliers, with multiple other recent polls showing similar trend lines on concern over the impact of the landmark court rulings on DRIPA and Cowichan Aboriginal title last year.
The political damage has become so severe in British Columbia that federal Conservatives are now using DRIPA and Cowichan to attack Prime Minister Mark Carney in Ottawa.
https://www.politico.com/news/2026/05/06/iran-deal-obstacle-trump-ego-00909102
Rob Shaw: Businesses pulling investment from B.C. over DRIPA uncertainty, poll finds
Business Council of B.C. survey shows widespread plans to cut spending and hiring amid growing legal and political uncertainty
Premier David Eby’s plummeting approval numbers aren’t the only figures the NDP government needs to worry about when it comes to the backlash over Indigenous reconciliation and private property rights. Many B.C. businesses are reporting they plan to scale back operations due to the conflict as well.
Almost 74 per cent of B.C. businesses plan to decrease investment due to uncertainty over the Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples Act, according to a new survey of senior executives Wednesday by the Business Council of B.C.
The majority cite increased time, cost, complexity or uncertainty in permitting caused by the court rulings, policy flips and changing landscape around the NDP’s DRIPA. As many as one-third said they plan to reduce hiring.
“The desire to work with Indigenous communities to create prosperity for all remains strong but the message from business leaders is clear: DRIPA isn’t working,” said BCBC president Laura Jones.
The Business Council found 98 per cent of its members do not believe DRIPA had helped “create further certainty for investment” as Premier John Horgan promised when he passed the law in 2019. And 90 per cent believe it should be repealed or amended.
The plunge in business confidence is almost as steep as the freefall the premier and government find themselves in amongst voter opinion.
Eby’s approval rating has plummeted 20 percentage points in the past year to sit at 33 per cent—his lowest, by far, since taking office in 2022, according to new figures by the Angus Reid Institute.
“Still-leaderless BC Conservatives open 10-point lead over NDP amid DRIPA uncertainty,” read the headline on the poll.
The Angus Reid figures largely reflected those of the business survey, showing a majority of respondents think the B.C. government’s reconciliation policies have become bad for the province. The numbers are not outliers, with multiple other recent polls showing similar trend lines on concern over the impact of the landmark court rulings on DRIPA and Cowichan Aboriginal title last year.
The political damage has become so severe in British Columbia that federal Conservatives are now using DRIPA and Cowichan to attack Prime Minister Mark Carney in Ottawa.
https://www.politico.com/news/2026/05/06/iran-deal-obstacle-trump-ego-00909102
Halifax Tar
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Who knew ? Maybe we aren't real people either or entitled to rights ?
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Are they saying they transitioned or mutilated 1 in 5 children in foster care? I’m having trouble accepting that as fact.
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This story about BC government mandated fertilizer killing livestock is absolutely wild.
B.C. firm penalized after government-mandated forest fertilizer kills 13 cows
A B.C. government decision to source a forest fertilizer outside the U.S. for “political reasons” ended in disaster in an incident that killed 13 cattle and triggered a major environmental penalty.
www.castanet.net
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I am not really sure I understand the link between “non-US made fertilizer” and the cow incident.This story about BC government mandated fertilizer killing livestock is absolutely wild.
B.C. firm penalized after government-mandated forest fertilizer kills 13 cows
A B.C. government decision to source a forest fertilizer outside the U.S. for “political reasons” ended in disaster in an incident that killed 13 cattle and triggered a major environmental penalty.www.castanet.net
An experienced company did not read the Product labels/MSDS sheets and then spilled product on the ground which it failed to properly clean up, seems to be the actual story.
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