CAF Security Forces [Split from RCN Anti Drone Weapon]

[SeaKingTacco]

There is no precedent for a federal policing contract in Ontario so we a split-balling, but if it followed the current OPP contract model, a place like Pet or Borden would simply be rolled into the local detachment. Even when absorbing a municipal service, they will no longer establish a dedicate detachment. Very briefly state, a contract involves a combination of a per-capita amount plus a calls-for-service amount (for initial contracts, that number is drawn from existing records for, I believe, three years). For that you get a police service; no site security, property checks, key control, etc. The ability/authority to control or limit people on the property would be questionable. Anything that is specific under the NDA, federal traffic regs, etc. would be difficult, both because of the movement of personnel but their concept of 'closest car'. It may be that a neighbouring detachment unit is closer. I could really see this happening at Borden.

It would largely be new ground since a CF facility is both a work space and a residential space. They would have to sort out some kind of equivalent to a Police Services Board which is a requirement under the Community Safety and Policing Services Act. There would also be no communications linkage between the police service and local CoC on individual incidents, even if they impacted operational matters, as I assume there is with MPs. As well, the CoC would have no input into how, why or when the policing service is delivered, which could be a good thing or bad thing.

If it involved a municipal PS like Ottawa or North Bay, there is no model for contract policing. Municipal PSs do contract policing of other municipalities but they are free to do it in any way that makes both parties happy and so long it satisfies the Ministry that it is 'adequate and effective'.

You would be surprised how little the mPs want to tell the CoC what is going on, anymore.

 

[QV]

Last FY the MP responded to 40,006 calls for service in Canada. I'm not sure if that's alot or not very much for a police force?

Offloading it to civpol would probably require some additional hiring and funding for local detachments.

I also wonder if civpol would ignore some of the regular or routine calls the MP get.

Scrap the NDA act or have local police enforce it and things like NDs and disobeying lawful orders?


How many MP would it take to provide an adequate level of security?

A majority of those are not serious police matters but more administrative in nature (lost ID card, building insecurity report, damage to public property (someone broke something). The actual calls for service that warrant a police response, by any normal Canadian standard, is relatively small. Unit disciplinary matters are for the chain of command. Do you really need a police investigation when a soldier disobeys a lawful command, is absent without authority, negligent discharge? I say hell no. Pte Bloggins was ordered to be at work for 0700hrs, he arrived at 0745hrs and provided no adequate excuse. AWOL!

To determine the number of armed personnel for adequate security would require a proper assessment of assets and needs. I suggest it could be done with existing numbers - with room to adjust up or down as time goes on. Spittballing again... Would 100 armed FP soldiers be enough to provide 24/7 security at a critical installation? You have over 1200 MPs, that's 12 companies of 100 troops that could be placed. How many critical sites are there and what number is adequate for each? There are lost of variables but I don't think this is a difficult assessment if it's properly drilled down.

 

[dapaterson]

Contracting Provincial/Municipal Services is about the most complicated and difficult solution.

Most complicated and difficult is generally the default CoA.

 

[QV]

Rough structure of a Force Protection Regiment.

VCDS
I
DGDS
I
FP Regt - Col
-Regt HQ

FP Battalion - LCol

• the bulk of the organization. Consisting of several FP Companies assigned to sensitive site security throughout Canada at CFBs (companies lead by a Maj or Capt)
• troop strength at sites range from Platoon to Company+ based on assets under protection, may have K9, surveillance, or other assets assigned.
• includes assets for D&S such as vehicles, weapons, security barriers, hasty defence improvements on store such as hesco, electronic fences..etc etc. Surveillance equipment...
• each site staffed appropriate for all general security functions, patrols, IDENT sections, alarm monitoring, physical security, key control/access control etc, support to sustained deployed operations, and able to scale up to full BASF mode without needing "BASF/WASF". There would be a 24hr duty centre once again - yay!
• each defence establishment would have a rotation of FP on shift work, cycling through a training cycle, admin cycle, as well as a local command/support element.

FP School - Maj
- Training Cadre and Location where QL3-QL6B training occurs. Including coordinating and supporting specialized training such as K9/surveillance/CP/AM etc. QL training would drop all police functions and focus on security applications, convoy/FOB d&s, support weapons, CQB.

FB Support Battalion - LCol

• Air Marshal Unit
• CFPSU
• Surveillance
• Small version of NIS
• Port Security Liaison Cadre

There could be movement between DGDS's other sections and the FP Regt for career progression or for a place to park people on MELs.

Imagine how cool it would be if RCAF technicians could focus on that and not be guarding a plane somewhere.

 

[lenaitch]

I don’t see anything in the NDA preventing the MND from setting up a DND police service, but frankly, why would he? Either use the mPs or bring in the RCMP. Contracting Provincial/Municipal Services is about the most complicated and difficult solution.

I agree about the complexity, but involving the RCMP would likely be equally challenging. They aren't really flush with people and in two provinces that have large bases, they exist in relatively small numbers.

According to the folks at Pearson when it was federally operated. site/property security is particularly unexciting.

You would be surprised how little the mPs want to tell the CoC what is going on, anymore.

No doubt. I was more thinking if someone was nabbed and unable to report for imminent duty. Maybe the MPs don't do that.