CAN Enhanced (Permanent?) Fwd Presence in Latvia

[childs56]

So from Hundreds in Edmonton to a few across Canada…

I ahould have worded that better so you have less chance to find any little fault to try and catch me on. I should have known better

Hundreds of truck and trailer combinations physically capable of hauling the tanks In the Edmonton area.

I know a few people personally who transport sensitive materials for the Canadian, US and British Military along with other security sensitive contracts.
I should have been more specific

You already answered it above.

 

[KevinB]

I ahould have worded that better so you have less chance to find any little fault to try and catch me on. I should have known better

Hundreds of truck and trailer combinations physically capable of hauling the tanks In the Edmonton area.

I know a few people personally who transport sensitive materials for the Canadian, US and British Military along with other security sensitive contracts.
I should have been more specific

You are simply reinforcing the point.
Yes the physical is easy
The paperwork isn’t exactly impossible either, but I don’t think a lot of transport companies go through the process of becoming a cleared entity and having drivers with active clearances.
- aside, I don’t think that for a tank one needs a clearance unless it has the radios in it as I think locked suffices for the FCS etc

But Dangerous Goods certification has several different layers and I suspect they don’t bother getting cleared for jobs they won’t often due as it’s more $ and time.

ITAR certified entities generally aren’t holding their own transport entities either.

Secure transport is a fairly lucrative business. I found out what the USG was paying for some secure shipments and realized I was probably in the wrong business. Albeit that required dual driver Secret+ due to delivery entity/location— but still I was a little shocked that one could make 300k+ a year doing that.

 

[childs56]

You are simply reinforcing the point.
Yes the physical is easy
The paperwork isn’t exactly impossible either, but I don’t think a lot of transport companies go through the process of becoming a cleared entity and having drivers with active clearances.
- aside, I don’t think that for a tank one needs a clearance unless it has the radios in it as I think locked suffices for the FCS etc

But Dangerous Goods certification has several different layers and I suspect they don’t bother getting cleared for jobs they won’t often due as it’s more $ and time.

I am not understanding what your definition of dangerous good are. Explosives, fuel, munitions?

ITAR certified entities generally aren’t holding their own transport entities either.

Secure transport is a fairly lucrative business. I found out what the USG was paying for some secure shipments and realized I was probably in the wrong business. Albeit that required dual driver Secret+ due to delivery entity/location— but still I was a little shocked that one could make 300k+ a year doing that.

Secure transport is an interesting entity. Pick this up here drop it off there. Here is your route and no unscheduled stops..........I gotta pee. To bad so sad no stopping for you. Lol

 

[lenaitch]

It's about 43 (ish) hours from Edmonton to Montreal. There would need to be stops unless a team of drivers were prepositioned enroute. Does the concept of 'secure' transport meet whatever security needs the CAF requires? If not, how long does it take to get a security clearance?

Don't these things have machine guns and sensitive equipment? Can they be locked or sealed? I can't see the CAF being too thrilled about them parked in behind the Husky in Nipigon while the driver grabs a meal.

 

[markppcli]

It's about 43 (ish) hours from Edmonton to Montreal. There would need to be stops unless a team of drivers were prepositioned enroute. Does the concept of 'secure' transport meet whatever security needs the CAF requires? If not, how long does it take to get a security clearance?

Don't these things have machine guns and sensitive equipment? Can they be locked or sealed? I can't see the CAF being too thrilled about them parked in behind the Husky in Nipigon while the driver grabs a meal.

You can take the guns out…..

 

[SeaKingTacco]

It's about 43 (ish) hours from Edmonton to Montreal. There would need to be stops unless a team of drivers were prepositioned enroute. Does the concept of 'secure' transport meet whatever security needs the CAF requires? If not, how long does it take to get a security clearance?

Don't these things have machine guns and sensitive equipment? Can they be locked or sealed? I can't see the CAF being too thrilled about them parked in behind the Husky in Nipigon while the driver grabs a meal.

Security clearances for contractors can take weeks to months to years to “never”. Depends on how complex the contractor is…

 

[Furniture]

Last time I saw a tank being moved on the highway by a civilian company there was a police escort. I can't remember if it was SQ or MPs, but there were police.

 

[lenaitch]

You can take the guns out…..

I assumed so, but hauling all of the dangerous, sensitive, critical or even just really expensive stuff out, then having to ship it and re-install it at the other end no doubt complicates the move.

 

[KevinB]

I assumed so, but hauling all of the dangerous, sensitive, critical or even just really expensive stuff out, then having to ship it and re-install it at the other end no doubt complicates the move.

MG’s come out and either the breech or part of the firing Mech comes out of the large guns anyway, radios generally come out (IIRC they can be left in a secured armored vehicle inside a secured building - but not for third party transport).

Generally there is a reason why most militaries have their own transport ability.

 

[markppcli]

I assumed so, but hauling all of the dangerous, sensitive, critical or even just really expensive stuff out, then having to ship it and re-install it at the other end no doubt complicates the move.

I mean coax takes maybe 1 minute to put in, they get installed and removed every time they’re drawn or returned to the vaults, it’s not a big thing. Likewise the radios are typically stored in specialized vaults. Again not a big deal.

MG’s come out and either the breech or part of the firing Mech comes out of the large guns anyway, radios generally come out (IIRC they can be left in a secured armored vehicle inside a secured building - but not for third party transport).

Generally there is a reason why most militaries have their own transport ability.

Just need someone with a courier certificate to hand carry them on a flight. Not a huge deal. Depending on the batteries of course.

 

[Maxman1]

 Shawinigan and  Summerside depart for Mine Countermeasures Group as part of Op Reassurance.

Royal Canadian Navy ships to join Standing NATO Mine Countermeasures in Europe - Canada.ca

Today, the ships’ companies of His Majesty’s Canadian Ships (HMCS) Shawinigan and Summerside depart their homeport of Halifax, N.S., to join Standing NATO Mine Countermeasures Group 1 (SNMCMG1) on Operation REASSURANCE.

www.canada.ca

 

[GR66]

Prime Minister Trudeau has announced that Canada will be increasing the size of our Latvia deployment to up to 2,200 troops:

Canada will more than double military presence in Latvia: Trudeau

'This is the way forward in modern defence'

nationalpost.com

No mention of specifically what that increased deployment will look like.

 

[KevinB]

Prime Minister Trudeau has announced that Canada will be increasing the size of our Latvia deployment to up to 2,200 troops:

Canada will more than double military presence in Latvia: Trudeau

'This is the way forward in modern defence'

nationalpost.com

No mention of specifically what that increased deployment will look like.

Sounds like he’s trying to get the Bde that NATO has asked for, but is running into the whole lack of people and equipment issue.

 

[PuckChaser]

He isn't going to run into that issue. It'll be up to the CDS how to deal with that flaming turd of a problem. Trudeau is big on promises, the proletariat can figure out the details.

 

[Maxman1]

So how will the tanks be manned? LdSH doing endless rotations until they all quit, or rotate between them, RCD and 12e? And would reserves be given spots on Leopard courses to augment it?

 

[GR66]

So how will the tanks be manned? LdSH doing endless rotations until they all quit, or rotate between them, RCD and 12e? And would reserves be given spots on Leopard courses to augment it?

Don't worry....the deficit (in personnel) will take care of itself!

 

[markppcli]

So how will the tanks be manned? LdSH doing endless rotations until they all quit, or rotate between them, RCD and 12e? And would reserves be given spots on Leopard courses to augment it?

Half Sqn at a time, they’re moving to three tank Sqns. So in theory everyone will go every three years. 12 RBC and RCDs will take on the Recce troop task.

 

[FormerHorseGuard]

Wednesday or Thursday of last weekend there a Canadian Tank being trailed west bound on the 417 between Arnprior and Pakenham area.

1 escort pickup truck up front, tractor, large lowbed trailer, then another escort pick up truck. No police, not even a military vehicle to be seen. All private contractors. ( I actually thought there lost and heading the wrong way as I drove to work in Ottawa)

Use to watch the trains come thru on the CPR tracks hauling the British Army equipment, only extra thing added to the train was a private caboose for security guards for when the trains were parked in sidings or yards as the railroad did crew changes.

I do not recall all the details but a few years ago a trucker took his truck and trailer home because of a family emergency it was carrying a LAV III, area people concerned called the police to report a stolen tank. I do not recall anything really happening to the driver.

I am sure the security for hauling an actual tank might be more secure and no taking it home.

 

[Fabius]

So how will the tanks be manned? LdSH doing endless rotations until they all quit, or rotate between them, RCD and 12e? And would reserves be given spots on Leopard courses to augment it?

Who says they all have to be manned?
I’m betting the LdSH will crew them and the 2 Alberta based armoured reserve units will never touch a Leo.

 

[markppcli]

Sounds like he’s trying to get the Bde that NATO has asked for, but is running into the whole lack of people and equipment issue.

We have the equipment, ie we can expand to a Bn of LAVs, the people will be problematic. I could see another rifle company… maybe an expansion of the recce troop to a Sqn. Beyond that I’m skeptical.