CAN-USA 2025 Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[childs56]

You know, I feel bad for the people of Pont Roberts.

But I have a solution for them. Repeat after me: "I swear (or affirm) that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III, King of Canada, His Heirs and Successors, and that I will faithfully observe the laws of Canada and fulfil my duties as a Canadian citizen."

Then, we can contact Trump and tell him: We agree with you that the line between our countries needs to change. It has to go along the Southern edge of Point Roberts from now on.

I wonder if the Acadians claim their land along the East Coast of the United States how Trump would feel....

 

[Ostrozac]

Brings a valid question though, if they wanted to separate from the US, and join Canada, could they? Is there even a mechanism for a small county to do so?

US international borders can be changed by treaty — negotiated by the State Department, signed by the President, final approval by the Senate. This has actually happened, in 1977 the US and Mexico swapped some islands in the Rio Grande.

In the US the county and state level seem to have no authority to action their own change of status, besides lobbying their representatives in Washington. It’s pretty clearly a federal power.

Canada’s a little different, as while the Commons is consulted on treaties, there’s no veto and treaties are approved by Order in Council. But it gets weird. A Canadian government could almost certainly accept new land as a Territory (or part of an existing Territory, if the Yukon/Alaska boundary were to shift), but accepting either an additional province or adding land to an existing province might cross constitutional authority lines. The government of Canada pretty clearly has the authority to accept Point Roberts from the US, but might not be able to grant it to BC without the approval of the BC provincial government.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

That's OK. Chicago (and Illinois) are mostly Democratic, and Democrats lean more protectionist than Republicans.

Except that both the Democrats and the Republicans lost the election......

 

[Kirkhill]

Except that both the Democrats and the Republicans lost the election......

Three parties - Democrats, Republicans and those who do not vote. Trump got a lot of that third party.

 

[daftandbarmy]

US international borders can be changed by treaty — negotiated by the State Department, signed by the President, final approval by the Senate. This has actually happened, in 1977 the US and Mexico swapped some islands in the Rio Grande.

In the US the county and state level seem to have no authority to action their own change of status, besides lobbying their representatives in Washington. It’s pretty clearly a federal power.

Canada’s a little different, as while the Commons is consulted on treaties, there’s no veto and treaties are approved by Order in Council. But it gets weird. A Canadian government could almost certainly accept new land as a Territory (or part of an existing Territory, if the Yukon/Alaska boundary were to shift), but accepting either an additional province or adding land to an existing province might cross constitutional authority lines. The government of Canada pretty clearly has the authority to accept Point Roberts from the US, but might not be able to grant it to BC without the approval of the BC provincial government.

The Oregon Treaty enters the chat...

With familiar mottos from the US side: 54-40 or fight!

Oregon boundary dispute - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The treaty also had the unintended consequence of putting what became Point Roberts, Washington on the "wrong" side of the border. A peninsula, jutting south from Canada into Boundary Bay, was made by the agreement, as land south of the 49th parallel, a separate fragment of the United States.

Oregon Treaty - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org