I wonder if the Acadians claim their land along the East Coast of the United States how Trump would feel....
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US international borders can be changed by treaty — negotiated by the State Department, signed by the President, final approval by the Senate. This has actually happened, in 1977 the US and Mexico swapped some islands in the Rio Grande.
In the US the county and state level seem to have no authority to action their own change of status, besides lobbying their representatives in Washington. It’s pretty clearly a federal power.
Canada’s a little different, as while the Commons is consulted on treaties, there’s no veto and treaties are approved by Order in Council. But it gets weird. A Canadian government could almost certainly accept new land as a Territory (or part of an existing Territory, if the Yukon/Alaska boundary were to shift), but accepting either an additional province or adding land to an existing province might cross constitutional authority lines. The government of Canada pretty clearly has the authority to accept Point Roberts from the US, but might not be able to grant it to BC without the approval of the BC provincial government.
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Except that both the Democrats and the Republicans lost the election......
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Three parties - Democrats, Republicans and those who do not vote. Trump got a lot of that third party.
daftandbarmy
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The Oregon Treaty enters the chat...
With familiar mottos from the US side: 54-40 or fight!
Oregon boundary dispute - Wikipedia
The treaty also had the unintended consequence of putting what became Point Roberts, Washington on the "wrong" side of the border. A peninsula, jutting south from Canada into Boundary Bay, was made by the agreement, as land south of the 49th parallel, a separate fragment of the United States.
Oregon Treaty - Wikipedia
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That's because the "establishment" sub-factions - which aren't necessarily entitled to be the only standard bearers of their respective party labels - of each lost tranches of their voters first. Evidence of that shift goes back at least as far as "porkbusters" and incompetent imperialism (both somewhere in the middle of the Bush administration). Add in the pronounced left shift of Democrats from 2008 on. But there was no third option for dissatisfied voters until 2016, and never really would have been one without some outsider hijacking one of the parties.
Many of the people who spend time in the Ottawa and DC bubbles are limited by defective and insufficient feedback mechanisms.
I also guess that most Canadian leaders don't really know much about the US, and vice versa even less. But the US is a powerful nation that can afford the luxury of ignorance because it tends to control the initiative. Canada is pinned next to that nation, so failure to understand the US "story" (the one they tell themselves, not just the cold hard truths of history) and sub-cultures means we are missing half of "know yourself, know the other". We shouldn't expect our leaders to exhibit competence in Canada-US affairs if, for example, they can't grasp and sympathize with something like "flyover country".
I expect the first drafts of history of this upset to be the customary reputation protection and self-admiration and partisan political finger-pointing. A little later we'll get the revised versions, and learn that our leaders made an unforgivable number of mistakes, mainly by not understanding the conditions and only thinking about the next move.
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No. Trump got much of the customary voting base of the Republican party plus customary Democrat voters dissatisfied with their party plus customary independent voters dissatisfied with 2000-2016. That was enough to tip the scale.
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Four parties. Democrats, Republicans, Disenfranchised and those who typically don't vote, but did this time.
He got a majority. He got votes from all four groups. The makeup is irrelevant, except to those that study these things.
He is still their POTUS for 3.9 years.
I’ve never been a fan of booing anything, However all too many Americans have little connection to Canada. They think this country is only good for fishing and hunting. Sure they think of us as being polite, saying “Eh”, drinking hot tea, producing great hockey players and having red-coated Mounties (as in the Rose Marie musical from eons ago). Unfortunately, Americans are so into themselves and seeing America as God’s gift to humanity that they can’t fathom anyone not wanting to be just like them.
The problem with America isn’t just the president amd congress they’ve elected. The problem is with America and Americanism itself. It’s a cultural, social and economic imperialism that has been rampant far too long. I’ve seen it when I lived and worked in Edmonton back in the early-to-mid 1970s. And I’ve continued to see it in Ontario over the years. While I’ve met and worked with many wonderful people from the U.S., I’ve met many more who seem to politely sneer and look on us with disdain. On a number of occasions Americans I have worked with, knowing that I held American citizenship (which I have since renounced), remarked that they were here only to make money and that it was the only reason they would ever come here.
One could argue that we Canadians don’t blow our horn sufficiently to make other people hear us and appreciate us. And perhaps that’s true. All I can say is that if Americans are closing their eyes to what Trump and his ilk are trying to do with us and other areas of the world, then maybe hearing some booing of their national anthem will help make them wake up to our anger.
