CAN-USA 2025 Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[brihard]

I've been reading quite a bit of Quebec news lately (oddly enough). Quebec is having a "Oh yah, this is why we created this country" moment right now. History doesn't repeat but its rhyming for Lower Canada at present.


Haha no, I don't believe that for a hot minute. This is the same guy who said we're probably going to get less tariffs two days ago and then they went full 25%.. If the go to 20% or 15% I'll be shocked honestly. We'll have to see what Mexico's announced response will be.

Reading the G&M article on the same, Lutnick stated to Ford that some of the statements coming out of Canada are personal attacks on the president, particularly from the PM. And we know what DJ has a very thin skin. Going after him personally is only going to make this harder in the end. Despite Canadians loving the criticism.

You can say all the blunt instrument things you need to without making it personal. Canada will not buckle to tariffs, we will fight back, this policy will hurt Americans, Americans are our friends and we don't get it. We're working hard to fix the fentynal problem and are working with US border services to see what they need to make this work. etc.... But don't tell the President hes dumb, or that hes the problem.

Doug Ford needs to reign himself in, he's not a diplomat he's a liability. And Trudeu should have learned from the last trade negotiations that DJ's temper turned our trade negotiations into problems after he criticized Trump at some other event (He stabbed me in the back or somesuch was Trumps statement) after the hug offensive was working, undoing all that work because he can't keep his mouth shut.

This election can't come soon enough, we need to change the players federally even if the Libs are in power again, at least they will have a different face. Problem is the election campaign will be all about attacking Trump and that can't be good for negotiations.

If you listened to it though, Trudea prefaces by saying Trump is very smart (said with a straight face I think), but that the tariffs are very dumb.

The interesting thing with Ford is that Lutnick reached out to him and tried to bully- and it didn’t work. Ford, in his capacity as premier of the province most affected, is standing up for his province. But in doing so he also is showing a good idea of the more grassroots resolve we have on this. His communications are the most like Trump’s own direct style. And it sounds like Ford’s also keeping to a line of messaging that this is a problem to be worked and that we still want to work it together. It’s not terrible to have that coming from several angles on our side.

 

[Underway]

If you listened to it though, Trudea prefaces by saying Trump is very smart (said with a straight face I think), but that the tariffs are very dumb.

The interesting thing with Ford is that Lutnick reached out to him and tried to bully- and it didn’t work. Ford, in his capacity as premier of the province most affected, is standing up for his province. But in doing so he also is showing a good idea of the more grassroots resolve we have on this. His communications are the most like Trump’s own direct style. And it sounds like Ford’s also keeping to a line of messaging that this is a problem to be worked and that we still want to work it together. It’s not terrible to have that coming from several angles on our side.

Ok I'll buy that explaination to a point. Not being in the room I'm not sure Lutnick tried to bully Ford. But given both their communication styles it was probably a pretty blunt conversation.

Lutnick is a smart guy. He knows tariffs are bad. His mentor is Lighthzinger who was Trumps previous Trade Secretary, the same guy who stole a memo right off of Trumps desk that might have had the President torpedeo the free trade deal with Korea. Same guy used to work in trade all the way back with Regan.

Part of me wonders if Lutnick is trying to limit the damage his boss is causing, basically saying help me out here, cool your jets, we can walk this back a bit because its going to spiral really quickly. And he needs Trump to not be all pissy about Ford when that happens.

And if he's calling Ford saying stop, does that mean we have leverage here? Is this a crack in the armour to exploit?

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

If you listened to it though, Trudea prefaces by saying Trump is very smart (said with a straight face I think), but that the tariffs are very dumb.

The interesting thing with Ford is that Lutnick reached out to him and tried to bully- and it didn’t work. Ford, in his capacity as premier of the province most affected, is standing up for his province. But in doing so he also is showing a good idea of the more grassroots resolve we have on this. His communications are the most like Trump’s own direct style. And it sounds like Ford’s also keeping to a line of messaging that this is a problem to be worked and that we still want to work it together. It’s not terrible to have that coming from several angles on our side.

Ford is lining himself up for an eventual run at Federal politics. He has the stuff to be leader of the Conservative Party.

 

[dapaterson]

Ford is lining himself up for an eventual run at Federal politics. He has the stuff to be leader of the Conservative Party.

Depending on the next Federal election, that door might open a crack. And if there's one thing Ford brothers know, it's crack.

 

[Underway]

Ford is lining himself up for an eventual run at Federal politics. He has the stuff to be leader of the Conservative Party.

He needs to act like a Conservative then. Where's my tax cuts Dougie?

Also he needs to dodge the RCMP investigations into his greenbelt/highghway development buyoff situation. That's one of the reasons for the early election call. There is a scandal brewing.

 

[Furniture]

He needs to act like a Conservative then. Where's my tax cuts Dougie?

You no longer pay to register you car...

 

[McG]

You can say all the blunt instrument things you need to without making it personal.

Sorry, what? Trump pissed all over this country. He made it personal. If his fragile emotions can’t accept being called out for doing stupid things, he needs to not do stupid things.

 

[brihard]

Ok I'll buy that explaination to a point. Not being in the room I'm not sure Lutnick tried to bully Ford. But given both their communication styles it was probably a pretty blunt conversation.

Lutnick is a smart guy. He knows tariffs are bad. His mentor is Lighthzinger who was Trumps previous Trade Secretary, the same guy who stole a memo right off of Trumps desk that might have had the President torpedeo the free trade deal with Korea. Same guy used to work in trade all the way back with Regan.

Part of me wonders if Lutnick is trying to limit the damage his boss is causing, basically saying help me out here, cool your jets, we can walk this back a bit because its going to spiral really quickly. And he needs Trump to not be all pissy about Ford when that happens.

And if he's calling Ford saying stop, does that mean we have leverage here? Is this a crack in the armour to exploit?

Lutnick’s a conventional Wall Street investment banker, and a very succesful one. In an administration increasingly overrun with… Well, the people it’s overrun with - he’s one of the adults. He just wants money and goods to move in stable and predictable trading relationships, within a trustworthy legal framework. I definitely think he’s a voice of influence working to temper things here cool things down. He’s likely one of the ones pushing to find an off ramp.

 

[Haggis]

Sorry, what? Trump pissed all over this country. He made it personal. If his fragile emotions can’t accept being called out for doing stupid things, he needs to not do stupid things.

Maybe stop referring to the PM as Governor Trudeau of Canada.

 

[JLB50]

Maybe stop referring to the PM as Governor Trudeau of Canada.

Or perhaps Trudeau should start calling Trump by the name supposedly assigned to him by Russian intelligence as one of their assets…Krasnov. President Krasnov of the United States.

 

[RangerRay]

Or perhaps Trudeau should start calling Trump by the name supposedly assigned to him by Russian intelligence as one of their assets…Krasnov. President Governor Krasnov of the United States Oblasts.

FTFY

 

[HavokFour]

Ford is lining himself up for an eventual run at Federal politics. He has the stuff to be leader of the Conservative Party.

I'm... oddly for this. As long as he can keep the Reform ghouls on a very short leash like Harper was able to.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

I'm... oddly for this. As long as he can keep the Reform ghouls on a very short leash like Harper.

I'm voting for Ford just so I can get free hotdogs!

 

[Brad Sallows]

Trying to figure out why so many people (Canadian politicians and reporters) keep talking about Trump's tariffs causing price increases for Canadians. Trump's import tariffs will increase prices for Americans. The way prices increase for Canadians is if we're stupid enough to put import tariffs on stuff coming from the US.

Enjoying all the "challenge accepted" from Canadian politicians in response to Trump's pig-wrestling offer.

 

[Kilted]

Well, he's lost his opportunity to form the official opposition.

Well, Singh is back up on his soapbox. He's using all his "We can't bring down the government until I get a deal for workers" shtick. i'm pretty sure we're back to square one when the House decides to get back to work. The motion of No Confidence will be scuttled by the orange liberals again, voting to keep the incompetent and dishonest Carney government in place. We are our own worst enemy. Singh has never been able to read a room.

Someone just shoot me now.

Singh warns tariff impact could be ‘worse than pandemic’ economically

NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh reacts to the U.S. implementing tariffs against Canada as he calls for an emergency session of Parliament.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[Maxman1]

Well, he's lost his opportunity to form the official opposition.

What opportunity?

 

[Underway]

I'm voting for Ford just so I can get free hotdogs!

Costco $1 ones not good enough for you!

 

[Underway]

Trying to figure out why so many people (Canadian politicians and reporters) keep talking about Trump's tariffs causing price increases for Canadians. Trump's import tariffs will increase prices for Americans. The way prices increase for Canadians is if we're stupid enough to put import tariffs on stuff coming from the US.

Enjoying all the "challenge accepted" from Canadian politicians in response to Trump's pig-wrestling offer.

Because lots of good we use, particularly finished goods are made in the US. Roofing nails for instance. If steel prices go up because of less steel supply from Canada then roofing nails go up. Lumber is another example where if you lose the cost advantage of mass production of lumber from BC than lumber prices.will definately go up. Canadian oil in the US is turned into gas for Ontario. Potash fertilizers increase cause food price increases because markets are international. And so on.

We're so integrated that any disruptions are going to increase prices.

 

[Underway]

You no longer pay to register you car...

That's liberal philosophy not conservative. Conservatives are about user fees. You pay for what you use. Liberals are about taking taxes to remove fees

Actually it's really populist bullshit. Like beer in corner stores. Ontario needs real structural changes not this fiddling around the edges crap.

 

[Czech_pivo]

That's liberal philosophy not conservative. Conservatives are about user fees. You pay for what you use. Liberals are about taking taxes to remove fees

Actually it's really populist bullshit. Like beer in corner stores. Ontario needs real structural changes not this fiddling around the edges crap.

They fiddle around the edges because the other stuff quite frankly, to be changed, might just result in the need to burn it all to the ground.

Provincial Debt (14$B) Health Care (85$B) and Education (29$B) eat up collectively 130$B of the 215$B year budget of Ontario. Where do you enable change to happen? The debt is a fixed cost at best, health care is on life support and difficult to even talk about changing and our education system is in structural change because of an ongoing tuition freeze and cut back on Int'l students.