CAN-USA 2025 Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[Kirkhill]

I view DJT as an irredeemable conman that I wouldn't trust to give me last nights scores- but In this case I would actually lean to his version being more "true."

It's a lowest common denominator explanation that misrepresents the details of the actual situation via simplification- de facto vice de jure kind of thing. American banks are not technically banned, but from their perspective our regulatory regime creates an untenable competitive environment, which has resulted in them having an insignificant and inexplicably small market share for a supposedly "free trade" environment- which is kind of potato-potahtoe from their side of the fence. I don't think knowledgeable person would argue the principle of the matter, that our regulatory regime does indeed stifle competition and restrict entry. We just don't care because we like it the way it is- it serves the interest of our people.

Someone on our side trying to refute the above and position our banking industry as open and competitive by framing 113 billion in cumulative assets as being in any way meaningful is counting on audience ignorance of the scale of the banking industry to deceptively invalidate the US concerns and avoid discussing the crux of the issue- that certain of our national interests definitely do fly in the face of free trade, and that if the US pushes we may be forced to choose.

We gain nothing by meeting his lies with lies to ourselves, or by burying our heads in the sand about the nature of their grievances.

Kind of like his beef with the Euros - regulations equal non-tariff trade barriers, couched in morality.

 

[Kirkhill]

He doesn’t want Canada, it’s a net loss for Republicans. He wants Canada to act - so insulting sovereignty is one way to get Canadians to actually act on that.

I’m sure he also enjoys watching people lose their minds about nonsense.

He is a very cunning showman.

As I said before, the only threat the Canadians will believe is the US.

 

[suffolkowner]

As I said before, the only threat the Canadians will believe is the US.

moved on to Gaza

 

[JLB50]

You just said this about a guy who came back from political death to achieve the greatest comeback in American political history and is right now utterly dismantling everything his political opponents laid down?

That argument doesn’t hold water. The same could be said about Hitler.

 

[QV]

moved on to Gaza

I cant think of a better person to fix that shithole than a tough realestate developer with the backing of the worlds most powerful economy and military.

 

[Czech_pivo]

The most revered Republican President in over 60yrs says it best.


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[OldSolduer]

He doesn’t want Canada, it’s a net loss for Republicans. He wants Canada to act - so insulting sovereignty is one way to get Canadians to actually act on that.

I’m sure he also enjoys watching people lose their minds about nonsense.

He is a very cunning showman.

Besides he’d have to contend with Quebec. And The Maritimes. Newfoundland would totally fuck him up - eh bys?

OK so I will add this here: I was on another platform and people sure like to toss the word "Nazi" around or address people with the German "Herr" as if to say "he's a Nazi".

Well - I pointed out that Harper, nor Poliviere condone concentration camps. Nor did they chant in the street celebrating the murders, rapes and kidnappings of Israelis - they in fact condemned it. I am sick and tired of assholes calling others "Nazis" because they don't like their politics.

 

[KevinB]

As I said before, the only threat the Canadians will believe is the US.

Pretty telling isn’t it.

 

[OldSolduer]

Pretty telling isn’t it.

Tell a lie a thousand times and it will become the truth. You know who said that?

 

[CBH99]

Not so true as it used to be. First we had to put up with the Irish, then it was Italians and Pakistanis, now its the English. Its getting harder to find a Scot.

Mate, last time I got off a plane in Scotland I thought I must've flown to bloody Africa by mistake...

The Irish & the English aren't the problem anymore (well, that might not as true about the English as it possibly sounds...)

It's the bloody HORDES of folks from what seems like everywhere south of Libya that makes it hard to find Scottish people in Scotland

 

[Fishbone Jones]

I think we might get some Team Blue clues from these:

Poilievre Calls For Expansion Of Canadian Energy Infrastructure To Be Free Of U.S. Tariffs On Energy

Canadian energy — including building LNG plants, pipelines, refineries, upgraders and other infrastructure — was front and centre on Thursday as Conservative Party Leader Pierre Poilievre held his first press conference since the resignation of Liberal Prime Minister Justin Trudeau earlier in...

www.dobenergy.com

Canada is ‘selling oil and gas at a massive price discount,’ Poilievre says | Watch News Videos Online

Watch Canada is ‘selling oil and gas at a massive price discount,’ Poilievre says Video Online, on GlobalNews.ca

globalnews.ca

‘Great Deal’: Trudeau’s Conservative Rival Makes Energy Pitch to Trump

Since winning the US election, Donald Trump has taunted Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau by calling him governor of a 51st US state, threatened 25% tariffs, and vented that the US is getting ripped off by its northern neighbor because of a trade deficit.

www.bnnbloomberg.ca

Pierre Poilievre will push LNG, SMRs and continued oil production

Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre took some time to speak about energy during his keynote speech to the Conservative national policy convention in Quebec City on Sept. 8.In those comments, he spoke about natural liquefaction extensively, as well as small modular reactors, hydroelectricity...

pipelineonline.ca

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-europe-lng-exports-poilievre-1.6770852

My take is that he wants to unlock the resources and get them to tide water to sell to the international market, keeping in mind that we already have one really good customer.

Finally someone is talking sense and in a language Trump understands. Now we just need to get both the red and the orange liberals out of the way, and the sooner the better.

 

[CBH99]

I’d suggest the easiest start is actually jailing people for significant drug seizures. Which we don’t do. If we catch and release I don’t think it matters how many dudes are watching.

100% this...

The number of people I've come across at work who have a criminal history/rap sheet a mile long, but have never even stepped foot in a jail, is A LOT more than most ppl would think...

and the inverse is also true.

The amount of inmates I've come across who have been sentenced to 90 days, 6 months, or a year who don't have any sort of lengthy criminal history and who committed fairly non-serious crimes is A LOT more than I ever would have expected when I first got into this profession.


I suspect that until we start remanding and handing down in-custody sentences to the actual bad guys, or bring back mandatory minimum sentences for certain offences, not much can change.

The police do their jobs. It's judges with a warped sense of responsibility to the community and, to be frank, extremely unimpressive crown prosecutors, that nees to start doing theirs.



Until that happens, I suspect it'll be next to impossible to shake the soft on crime image we've cultivated for ourselves.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Fentynal, heroin and meth dealers need to go to prison until they come out in a box.

 

[JLB50]

Pretty telling isn’t it.

I beg to differ with you on that. Canadians are finally waking up to the threats posed by China.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Lots to digest here. My hot take having just read this:

1. 10,000 ‘front line personnel’ for the border: who, doing what? How many will actually be new and how many are new over and above the prior $1.3b announcement and the resources that have already been shifted? Lots of lacking detail.

2. Joint organized crime/money laundering task force. Ok, cool. Who are we going to staff it with? Will there be any increase in available Human Resources over and above the exiting law enforcement/financial intelligence pool? Will there be new regulatory powers?

3. Listing the cartels as terrorist entities: the criteria for listing a terrorist group are specific and require an ideological/political component per the definitions of terrorism in the criminal code. Not sure how they’ll force that particular shaped peg in that particular shaped hole.

4. Basically all of this is coming down to a ton of further demand on federal policing priorities. Listing the cartels puts a huge additional burden on RCMP national security. Any resources shifted to the cartels will probably come at the expense of other major drug investigations including domestic fentanyl production. Is there a plan to somehow significantly bolster RCMP Human Resources? Or FINTRAC, or CBSA?

5. We need more courts and prosecutors. These are complex investigations. Courts are already tossing files.

I don’t know how they’re going to do the things they say they’re going to do. More thoughts once I really digest this.

A bit more from a high level/early days perspective here ....

What will the ‘fentanyl czar’ do? And other details of Canada’s new Trump-tied border measures

Canada’s new 'fentanyl czar' will work with Canadian and U.S. officials to help halt the flow of illegal drugs across the northern border, Public Safety Minister David McGuinty says.

www.cp24.com

 

[Good2Golf]

I beg to differ with you on that. Canadians are finally waking up to the threats posed by China.

Are they, though?

With a milquetoast ‘some influences here and there, didn’t affect any elections, some things should be improved but overall Canada’s fine’ Hogue Commission final report, Canadians didn’t seem to be all that worried. There isn’t even much of a call to hear whether the person they’ll potentially be voting for in the next election was compromised by, or collaborating with China.

Maybe when the US starts publicly releasing information from future ‘joint operations’ it conducts with Canada against drug related/supported criminal activities in Canada, Canadians might take enough notice to become vocal and actioned to hold their parliamentarians to account? Or not…

 

[Jarnhamar]

OK so I will add this here: I was on another platform and people sure like to toss the word "Nazi" around or address people with the German "Herr" as if to say "he's a Nazi".

I get called traitor a lot, as do other people from what I'm seeing on other platforms. It seems to be the new nazi.

 

[Quirky]

What kind of mental gymnastics is one playing to suddenly pretend like being patriotic matters now? Suddenly we need to buy Canadian goods due to incoming Trump tariffs. Buy Canadian, flatten the curve, stay home, boo US anthems, if not you're a nazi. If nothing else, these next 4 years will be entertaining, we are all in this together.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I get called traitor a lot, as do other people from what I'm seeing on other platforms. It seems to be the new nazi.

From a post national state to nationalism in a few short months.

 

[Remius]

From a post national state to nationalism in a few short months.

Real Threats can do that to people.