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The simple answer is to plan for the possibility - no matter how remote. Thank you for the gig President Trump.
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The simple answer is to plan for the possibility - no matter how remote. Thank you for the gig President Trump.
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It's called negotiation.
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Think so? I disagree... Look at all the countries stepping up their defence spending! Does a far better armed EU benefit Russia?
If Canada magically goes to 2% in next few months, will you thank the Donald for doing something beneficial to our country that every government in the last few decades refused to do?
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We could go further and have them brown out there own grids. Out uranium helps keep their power plants going.
It's also just weeks away from planting. We could halve their crop production by cutting off our potash.
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I truly hope that none of those things are necessary.
I want a long term, equitable deal for both sides to claim ‘victory’ before long term, long lasting damage is done.
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I don’t want to go down this path - but I do believe that some ‘blue’ Americans would be on our side and would take up arms on our behalf.
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You're preaching to the choir.
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I'm all for standing up to Trump and his 51st State annexation BS but are we really at the "let's leave them starving in the dark" and "break out the IED's and punji sticks" stage?
Despite Trump and his MAGA disciples I'm confident that the vast majority of Americans don't wish us harm and are just as baffled by this Twilight Zone episode as we are. Doug Ford is taking the right approach. We're sorry and we don't want to take these actions but the unwarranted attack on our country by your President is making this necessary. Let's resolve this and get back to being the close friends, neighbours and trading partners that we were before all this nonsense.
In the end this WILL be resolved and the US is not going away. Deal firmly with Trump and his crew but don't paint all of America with the same broad brush. We will want to restore good relations after this and being unnecessarily vengeful in our defence will only cause bitterness on both sides that will be difficult to repair.
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Despite Trump and his MAGA disciples I'm confident that the vast majority of Americans don't wish us harm and are just as baffled by this Twilight Zone episode as we are. Doug Ford is taking the right approach. We're sorry and we don't want to take these actions but the unwarranted attack on our country by your President is making this necessary. Let's resolve this and get back to being the close friends, neighbours and trading partners that we were before all this nonsense.
In the end this WILL be resolved and the US is not going away. Deal firmly with Trump and his crew but don't paint all of America with the same broad brush. We will want to restore good relations after this and being unnecessarily vengeful in our defence will only cause bitterness on both sides that will be difficult to repair.
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Trump is only leveling 25% and not 50% on aluminum and steel. He's still up 25%.
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No, I'd say we're at the "impress upon them that despite the size imbalance we have enough cards to turn Miran's mercantile revival fairy tale/Trump's Manifest Destiny dream into economic MAD" stage
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No, we were at “charge them 25% extra”. Those tariff revenues to help prop up Ontario business that’s under attack.
No. It’s only on the table as a discussion point in the highly unlikely (yet more possible than before) case where Trump went to such extremes that he designs on our sovereignty turned into physical force. America is absolutely capable of it under the wrong leadership. Hopefully that’s not him, but he’s closer than any other president in living history. But absolutely nobody wants that.
And hopefully you’re right. Unfortunately, so far the other sources of political power in the U.S. aren’t yet giving us any cause to be reassured. We have to consider obscene possibilities, because for the first time, they’re possible. He has seized a degree of power unprecedented in modern American history. There isn’t a template for this. None of us truly know how far it goes or what breaks first, or where, or when.
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You don’t think he’ll find some looney MAGA colonel who will say “Yes Sir!” after all the generals above refuse? Or even one brigadier?
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I'm a lot less worried about the US Armed Forces and much more worried about some lunatic MAGA militia crossing the border Fenian style.
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Fully on board with playing our strong cards.
Agreed that the risk level has increased from "ha ha, you're kidding, right?" to 'nah, he wouldn't do that...would he?". I'm not saying we ignore Trump's annexation rhetoric, but there are those on here that are suggesting everything from cancelling any piece of US military hardware we have on order to universal military service, handing out AT rockets and training the public to make IED's.
We absolutely have to act firmly and to make the kind of strategic changes to limit our exposure to US pressure going forward, but we need to keep in mind that the goal is to restore our good relations with the US and not to sever it. Act, but no need to overreact.
I hope I'm right too. When Trump and his acolytes begin framing Canadians as "the others", contemptable as a people and "lesser" beings THEN I will fully accept that we are on the path to something really disturbing.
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In 2021, Canada was still making decisions based on “knowing” Russia would not start a real war in Europe despite all the warning signs being there.
Today, the leader of the United States is fawning over Anschluss & Lebensraum. It behoves us not to dismiss these warning signs when we are in direct danger.
We cannot hope that this will pass and the old normal will return. That was our mistake in 2021.
Today, the leader of the United States is fawning over Anschluss & Lebensraum. It behoves us not to dismiss these warning signs when we are in direct danger.
We cannot hope that this will pass and the old normal will return. That was our mistake in 2021.
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We've been invited to join the union. I don’t recall any threats of military annexation. The Canadian reaction has been a huge overreaction egged on by the LPC for political purposes. And they’ve essentially reversed what would have been a devastating defeat. They know how to take advantage of events.
Canada’s reaction should have been to politely decline and worked to integrate more economically and militarily with the US including (what was that subsidy number trump says?) a $100B investment in US military hardware to help strengthen North America and NATO.
Canada’s reaction should have been to politely decline and worked to integrate more economically and militarily with the US including (what was that subsidy number trump says?) a $100B investment in US military hardware to help strengthen North America and NATO.
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'NO BUSINESS CASE': Alberta inks LNG deal with Japan thwarting Ottawa’s export skepticism
HOUSTON: Alberta has inked a major supply deal with Japan — after Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said no business case could be made.
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Or agents provocateur coming here, pretending to be Maple MAGA, start causing trouble forcing a government crackdown allowing Trump to say “the Canadian government is treating their MAGA people so bad. Let’s liberate them!”
Or, they decide to occupy a piece of our territory that allows them to have full control of a river, or a “land bridge” connecting Point Robert’s to Washington State. Or some small strategically important island. All to say “We can take bits off you and there’s nothing you can do about it.”
Minuscule possibility of happening, but more than there was a few weeks ago.
