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CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)
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Sure bud. We’ve been ‘invited’ the way a Mafia enforcer invites the neighbourhood businesses to contribute to the local ‘charitable foundation’. And we’re already at the point of real damage being done for having the temerity to decline. If you still see this as some sort of good faith, non-coercive invitation, you have a perceptual deficit bordering on disability. Doesn’t mean it’ll get to the point of broken legs, but that’s the degree of honest intent in play here from Trump.
Not the least bit worried about that. That would be a straightforward if spicy CANSOFCOM / RCAF cleanup, and whatever was left would be handed over to the Mounties and crown prosecutors. Violent extremists above the individual level typically suck at keeping their mouths shut, and any more than a small gaggle together inevitably telegraph their intentions and get infiltrated or otherwise compromised. No militia acting unilaterally would stand a chance of achieving anything meaningful crossing over onto our soil.
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Sound's a bit like Winnipeg or there abouts .
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Fair point, I just fear that little green men cross the border and become a casus belli for the Americans if they start taking casualties. An extremely small possibility, but not impossible.
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Bell: Danielle Smith furious with Doug Ford, Team Canada set to meet
Ontario Premier Doug Ford takes on U.S. President Trump in a tense stand-off as Alberta Premier Danielle Smith upset with Ford's antics
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Well, let’s see. Her government is on increasingly shaky ground with the ongoing healthcare scandal. Added to that, she knows that her province gets off disproportionately light in the tariff game, with oil and gas only eating 10% to the promised 25% on everything else. That despite the fact that her province products are overwhelming responsible for our net trade surplus with the U.S., the very thing Trump is most cranky about. She rightly fears anything that could push her province to eat a more proportionate share of the economic pain.
So yeah, I could see why she’d be mad at Ford. Her political interests are best served if Canada meekly caves. If we fight, she runs the risk of eating some of it too, and she’s less well positioned to weather that.
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Maybe because she is really in the spotlight now if things escalate with Trump and she still refuses to use the O&G afterFord faced him down? Ford sort of has forced her to put up or look really bad to the rest of Canada.
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If you want to beat trump you have to work on his level. You need to outbully him. He respects strength. Anything less, he smells blood in the water. He'll find that wedge and hammer the shit out of it.
Ford showed strength, a no mercy approach out of the gate. He made trump stop and consider other choices. Trump asked Ford to tone down his rhetoric and Ford said no. Trump realized Doug sits in a chair and manspreads, just like him. Not crosslegged like a female. All trudeau needed was to tuck his toe behind his calf. Ford is likely the number one trade guy in Canada, according to trump's thinking. He called Ford a strong man. Trump wants to sit down with him. He invited Ford to the WH. That's not how it's supposed to work. Doug has major juju with trump right now. I don’t even know why Legault is going. Trump doesn’t want to talk to him.
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It does. Well, except for the cold, snow, mosquitoes compared to our latitude and the palm trees.
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Let's see. She’s in Texas meeting trump trade officials and Texas oil mangnates, but she's pissed Ford is in Washington talking to trump trade officials.Name Calling politicians deleted.
Bell: Danielle Smith furious with Doug Ford, Team Canada set to meet
Ontario Premier Doug Ford takes on U.S. President Trump in a tense stand-off as Alberta Premier Danielle Smith upset with Ford's antics
She wasn’t invited.
She has done nothing to impress trump. All trump wants from her is to keep the WSC flowing to Texas. Wait, isn’t Smith in Texas meeting trumps people and the oil company bosses about her WSC?
Ford is responible for the welfare of 14 million people. Wanna guess what the loss of tha auto sector would cost in jobs?
Smith needs to take care of 4 million.
There's no formal policy, trade committee, or direction. The Premiers have been fighting for their individual provinces. The feds have been more concerned with carney than they have trade talks. There is no parliamentary trade committee except for carney and trudeau and all they're doing is scaring shallow thinking Canadians that invasion is imminent but Carney is the only one to back Trump down. Well Ford just put a big tear in that carney balloon.
So yeah, maybe Smith is pissed, but she shouldn't be. It's not like she's in charge to dictate to other Premiers on how trade negotiations should go. Or what is best for their province.
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Trump won’t need not-American soldiers to create a casus belli when there are MAGA premiers ready to complain they are being oppressed by Ottawa.
Ford has put himself leading a fight against the US when that should be federal space, and his tactic was exactly what Smith has been presenting as an Ottawa driven Boogieman. If Ontario can export tax provincial energy, then it is clearly not the abuse it was presented to be. In the end, it is not helpful if provinces allow themselves to be piecemeal negotiated with and it is not helpful if provinces make public declarations that they will trigger a unity crisis if the collective response causes them some discomfort. In Canada vs USA, Canada needs to collaborate as a monolith.
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Right out of George Orwell, isn't it. Every despot needs an enemy or other; either domestic or external.
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Generally I agree with you - but I wouldn't out it past Elon to hire a lot of folks for something like that, I suspect that Erik Prince has a playbook for that.
He could probably get 20k Columbians armed and near the border fairly easily.
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An interesting comment with full timeline of events written by a Kim Aston.Updated to reflect threats made by Trump the morning of March 11th.**
One thing I've learned over the past few weeks, and it's been a bit of a sobering lesson, is that a lot of Americans I know don't actually know what's going on between the US and Canada right now, and just how seriously Canadians are taking this. So, against my better judgement, here's a timeline to explain why we're here, and why we're angry.
Nov 30th, 2018 - The United States, Canada and Mexico finalize a trade agreement. Trump personally negotiates the terms and signs the document, celebrating it as 'the greatest trade agreement in history". (This is important.)
Nov 29th, 2024 - In a face to face meeting, Trump threatens the Canadian Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, that he will be imposing 25% tariffs and that if Canada wants to avoid that, it should join the US as a state.
Nov 30th, 2024 - Trump publicly calls our Prime Minister 'Governor Trudeau' and instructs his staff to only address him as Governor going forward. He again suggests Canada should join the USA.
Dec 3rd, 2024 - Trump remarks that he would split Canada into two states once annexed.
Dec 10th, 2024 - Trump posts that the majority of Canadians support annexation, despite public polling that only 13% of Canadians would consider the idea.
Dec 18th, 2024 - Trump again falsely states that the majority of Canadians support annexation and that one of his lapdogs, Wayne Gretzky, should have a leadership role in that new scenario.
Jan 7th, 2025 - At a press conference, Trump says that he would use economic force to destroy the Canadian economy to annex it.
Jan 14, 2025 - Trump again claims that most Canadians want to be American, despite new polls showing only 10% of us are open to the idea.
Jan 20th, 2025 - During his inaugural address, Trump says that the U.S. will 'expand its territory' during his second term.
Jan 23rd, 2025 - At the World Economic Forum, Trump says that Canada can avoid tariffs and economic collapse if it joins the US. He says this in front of representatives from most countries in the world.
Jan 24th, 2025 - Trump states publicly that Canada 'will' become a state
Jan 31st, 2025 - Trump announces a 25% tariff on all Canadian imports to begin the next day.
Feb 2nd, 2025 - Trump refers to Canada as its 'Cherished 51st state' and that it should join the US to avoid tariffs.
Feb 3rd, 2025 - A one month delay is agreed upon. Trump, in a conversation with Trudeau states that he doesn't think existing border treaties with Canada are valid, and need to be revised.
Feb 7th, 2025 - In a closed door meeting with his cabinet, Prime Minister Trudeau is recorded, without his knowledge, telling everyone that he believes very strongly that Trump is serious and that he stated his reason for annexation as Canadian resources.
Feb 9th, 2025 - In a Super Bowl pre-game interview, Trump says that he's serious about his threats, calling it a 'viable consideration for expanding US territory'
Feb 10th, 2025 - Trump announces an additional 25% tariffs on steel and aluminum imports from Canada to come into effect March 12th.
Feb 24th, 2025 - Trump publicly remarks that whoever signed the USMCA agreement is an idiot. He was the one that signed it.
Feb 27th, 2025 - Reports of American spy planes and reconnaissance aircraft flying over southern Alberta and Saskatchewan.
March 4th, 5th, and 6th 2025 - Tariffs come into effect. Canada retaliates with it's own tariffs. Tariffs are again postponed until April 1st after a huge market backlash.
March 4th, 2025 - In an address to a joint session of congress, Trump states that the US will own Greenland 'one way or the other'.
March 5th, 2025 - US Secretary of Commerce Howard Lutnick told Canadian finance minister Dominic LeBlanc that Trump "had come to realize that the relationship between the United States and Canada was governed by a slew of agreements and treaties that were easy to abandon."
March 7th, 2025 - Unconfirmed Memorandum and maps leaked on twitter reveal Trump is allegedly planning to annex the entirety of the great lakes and Southern Ontario, home to 13,491,332 Canadians. This amounts to 35.25% of Canada's total population and includes its largest city, Toronto. This region accounts for 38% of the Canadian economy, and its loss would make Canada's independence functionally impossible.
March 8th, 2025 - Canada's foreign minister warns European allies that their government considers Canada to be under existential threat.
March 9th, 2025 - Mark Carney, the new Canadian Prime Minister, in his acceptance speech, states that Trump is seeking to destroy Canada, and its way of life.
March 11, 2025 - President Trump threatens to “permanently shut down the automobile manufacturing business in Canada” if Canada does not drop a 250% to 390% tariff on U.S. dairy products, which he doesn’t state only kicks in after a certain quantity of tariff-free U.S. dairy enters Canada, a quantity that was originally negotiated and agreed to by Trump during the USMCA in 2018.
In Trump's own words, "The only thing that makes sense is for Canada to become our cherished Fifty First State. This would make all Tariffs, and everything else, totally disappear. Canadians’ taxes will be very substantially reduced, they will be more secure, militarily and otherwise, than ever before, there would no longer be a Northern Border problem, and the greatest and most powerful nation in the World will be bigger, better and stronger than ever — And Canada will be a big part of that. The artificial line of separation drawn many years ago will finally disappear, and we will have the safest and most beautiful Nation anywhere in the World — And your brilliant anthem, “O Canada,” will continue to play, but now representing a GREAT and POWERFUL STATE within the greatest Nation that the World has ever seen!"
To my American friends, I know most of you are amazing and generous people. You didn't ask for this, and I understand that. I hold no ill will towards you, whatsoever. But I must stress, with as much seriousness as I can, the amount of damage this has done.
We have viewed you as our closest friend and ally for a century. We thought of you as brothers and sisters. We answered the call, again and again, for any support you needed from us. Most of Canadians visit the USA so much that we've seen more of the US than we have the rest of Canada.
American products have been taken off our shelves. Canadians are cancelling travel plans to the US. Photo after photo has been shared on social media of empty flights from Canada to the USA.
This isn't a joke to us. We're not overreacting. We don't think he's just saying this shit to cause chaos or negotiate a deal. We wholeheartedly believe that our closest ally and friend is about to bring violence across our border, economically destroy us, and eliminate our way of life.
The main driver for Canada's creation in 1867 was SPECIFICALLY to not be part of America, and to end America's very public threats and plans to annex our territory.
We're angry. We're really, really fucking angry. Open your eyes to what's happening because we're tired of trying to make you understand why and asking you why it seems like none of you care. **
I still hope that there is time to repair this. I still believe that this is the result of one man's plan to burn it all down. But time is running out, and fast.
Danielle Smith…what can I say? Just being Danielle Smith? Severely dislikes Doug Ford. But she sure cozies up to those who would invade us.
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Smith headlining fundraiser with commentator who said Canadians would welcome U.S. invasion
Smith is scheduled to co-host PragerU’s east coast fundraising gala alongside Ben Shapiro, a conservative political commentator who has joked about “liberating” Canada.
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