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CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

I am not arguing that they can hit back. Making a point that there is a different strategy that can be employed. Which one is best depends on who you ask.
Understood. I was pointing that they largely couldn't 'hit back' because how could they really? Protest against tariffs brought against them because of the amount of Fentanyl coming into the US from Mexico? It's a fact, not lie as it is in our case.
 
I am not arguing that they can hit back. Making a point that there is a different strategy that can be employed. Which one is best depends on who you ask.
Mexico has very little connectivity with Europe and less in the Pacific than Canada, so arguably they are more beholden to the U.S. even than Canada. One can argue whether Mexico has a larger criminality issue than Canada, but Canada doesn’t yet have traveling CIA teams ‘taking care of business’ in Canada against Chinese triads…yet l.
 
I mean, they could, but the planned churchill falls deal has most of that expanded capacity earmarked for domestic use.

Thus it would be a very unsatisfying carrot

"There's a guaranteed transmission access of 985 megawatts through Quebec. This means Newfoundland and Labrador can sell up to that amount of Churchill River electricity by sending it through Quebec, using Hydro-Quebec’s transmission network, and on to other markets.

For example, if Massachusetts or New York needed power, Newfoundland and Labrador could sell it."
 

"There's a guaranteed transmission access of 985 megawatts through Quebec. This means Newfoundland and Labrador can sell up to that amount of Churchill River electricity by sending it through Quebec, using Hydro-Quebec’s transmission network, and on to other markets.

For example, if Massachusetts or New York needed power, Newfoundland and Labrador could sell it."
Sure, 985 MW. Not a huge carrot.


"With demand for electricity rising rapidly, we have signed an agreement that enables us to secure Québec’s energy future at a competitive cost. We’ll have access to a significant supply of reliable and affordable energy for Québec. This agreement is based on a renewed partnership with NL Hydro, rooted in a shared vision of long-term energy development that maximizes value creation for both provinces. This collaboration paves the way for the largest renewable energy project in North America and will contribute to Québec’s prosperity for generations to come"

Claudine Bouchard
President and CEO of Hydro-Quebec



"Quebec Premier Christine Fréchette highlighted the long-term economic and security benefits for her province during the news conference.

"Because it brings to Quebec thousands of new megawatts and we need those megawatts for residents, for businesses, for every region in Quebec," said Christine Fréchette, Premier of Quebec."

A poor carrot.
 
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Mexico has very little connectivity with Europe and less in the Pacific than Canada, so arguably they are more beholden to the U.S. even than Canada. One can argue whether Mexico has a larger criminality issue than Canada, but Canada doesn’t yet have traveling CIA teams ‘taking care of business’ in Canada against Chinese triads…yet l.

Yeah, it's only the Indian government assassinating on Canadian soil. The US government just does psychiatric mind destruction experiments in Canada through McGill university.
 
Speaking for myself, I would be happy if supply management went down the drain. But I can see how that would look like a huge sell-out to most people.

Only way I see that going over well is if our negotiation team somehow talks the US into dropping their dairy subsidies. In which case we'll have to hold a trial for witchcraft after the grand parade upon their return.
 
Only way I see that going over well is if our negotiation team somehow talks the US into dropping their dairy subsidies. In which case we'll have to hold a trial for witchcraft after the grand parade upon their return.
And prepare to get a passport to enter Quebec.
 
I see Canada as the pink-haired, septum-ring-wearing underachiever who still lives in his parents' basement, never quite managing to launch despite a few valiant attempts. He spends much of his time envying his brother's success and resenting the fact that his own sense of moral virtue has not delivered the comfort and fulfillment he expected.

The United States, on the other hand, is the arrogant and successful sibling. After a blowout fight with Dad, he left home to make his own way and ultimately became wealthy, influential, and popular. These days, Dad still gets under his skin, and he's starting to notice more of his father's flaws reflected in himself. His relationship with his brother is strained; they were close when they were younger, but now they barely talk. To make matters worse, he's going through a messy divorce and regularly posts questionable things on social media.
Look mom, dad, I'm super successful, look at my fancy cars, my big house, I'm building a data center in my backyard.

By the way, can you vouch for me at the bank? They keep raising my rates, something about spending way more than I'm earning, weird right? I'll show them, once my AI startup takes off I'll pay them all back, my friend Zuck says it should be any day now...
 
Note: Still no official word from either side. This reduction would be on the existing Section 232 tariffs that went into effect in April.

Though the deal hasn’t been finalized, the U.S. is considering a plan to lower tariffs on steel and aluminum from 50% to 25%, and decrease top-line tariffs on automobiles from 25% to 15%, the people said. They cautioned that terms of the deal could change before any official announcement, and details are still being worked out.

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It remains unclear how the new U.S. tariffs will account for the U.S.-Mexico-Canada Agreement. Under that deal, automakers are given deductions from the 25% tariff for the U.S. content in their vehicles, significantly lowering the overall tariff on automobiles that comply with the USMCA.

Steel imports from Canada could face a quota system, said some of the people familiar, and tariffs on imports that exceed the quota would be higher. Aluminum isn’t likely to face a quota under current considerations, they said.

[WSJ]U.S. Eyes Lower Tariffs on Metals and Autos in Canada Trade Deal

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Bloomberg news had something similar. High level talk about those tariffs being cut in half. The BN article was way too high level to be informative or useful.

I expect that as soon as the Premier meeting wraps up that more information starts to trickle out. Those not happy will make it known.
 
Wouldn't get my hopes up.

Next Democrat in office will cancel keystone again.

Not necessarily. One of the reasons Biden cancelled it was because he was VP when President Obama shut it down. No way was he going to let it stand, plus Trump had okayed it so that couldn't stand.

So another Democrat President may not be in a hurry to cancel another Keystone XL project, especially if the US is experiencing another oil crisis. And if IIRC after Biden cancelled the Keystone project that is exactly what happened with President Biden running around trying to more find more oil suppliers.
 
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