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and a orphaned fleet, exactly what Canada wants in a program.M10 Booker found a buyer?
I mean it's GDLS right
Canada's tanks
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Ajax very definitely is. The Ares version, however, has no turret, just an RWS and more interior space and is classified as the series APC version. It's tough finding info on its pax capacity although I have found its complement to be a crew of two and room for up to seven dismounts.
I haven't seen anything specific on how the Brits are doing the new version of cavalry and have been looking at it as an analogue to how they used Scimitar, Spartan and Stryker. I see Ajax as the Scimitar recce/surveillance replacement and Ares as the Spartan infantry carrier replacement. Since there is no specific Stryker ATGM replacement, I think they are using Ares with dismountable ATGMs. A recce sqn used to have three recce troops, one ATGM troop and one support (infantry) troop.
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Ajax very definitely is. The Ares version, however, has no turret, just an RWS and more interior space and is classified as the series APC version. It's tough finding info on its pax capacity although I have found its complement to be a crew of two and room for up to seven dismounts.
I haven't seen anything specific on how the Brits are doing the new version of cavalry and have been looking at it as an analogue to how they used Scimitar, Spartan and Stryker. I see Ajax as the Scimitar recce/surveillance replacement and Ares as the Spartan infantry carrier replacement. Since there is no specific Stryker ATGM replacement, I think they are using Ares with dismountable ATGMs. A recce sqn used to have three recce troops, one ATGM troop and one support (infantry) troop.
It looks as if the Striker/Swingfire overwatch role is, as you say to be done with an Ares variant armed with Brimstones.
I doubt if that will be doing any dismount work. Perhaps the dismounts in the Assault Troop Ares will be equipped with Javelin.
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Just did a little surfing and came across a forum discussing AJAX. That included a 2022 post as to how the Royal Dragoon Guards were reorganizing:
I doubt if this was, or is, the last word.
I doubt if this was, or is, the last word.
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You pays yer money and you takes yer chances.
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It is comforting to know everybody is having the same debate and nobody knows the answer.
I stand by staying light on our feet and figuring out how to react and adapt in a hurry.
Tanks or drones? German defence giants clash over how to rebuild military
Helsing and Rheinmetall fight for the lion’s share of Merz’s war chest – but Berlin must rearm quickly
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It is comforting to know everybody is having the same debate and nobody knows the answer.
I stand by staying light on our feet and figuring out how to react and adapt in a hurry.
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Ajax still has problems.
1.5 hrs inside for the crew. Max.
And armour is too heavy and unbalanced.
42 tonnes vs 28 tonnes for the parent ASCOD.
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1.5 hrs inside for the crew. Max.
And armour is too heavy and unbalanced.
42 tonnes vs 28 tonnes for the parent ASCOD.
Soldiers injured in latest mishap with Ajax armoured vehicles
‘World-beating’ fleet of tanks has been plagued by litany of problems with several troops needing hospital treatment over hearing loss
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Ajax still has problems.
1.5 hrs inside for the crew. Max.
And armour is too heavy and unbalanced.
42 tonnes vs 28 tonnes for the parent ASCOD.
Soldiers injured in latest mishap with Ajax armoured vehicles
‘World-beating’ fleet of tanks has been plagued by litany of problems with several troops needing hospital treatment over hearing loss
And it's twice as big as its predecessor...
Holy moses!! Tell me your not a recce vehicle without telling me yo...ah, nevermind...
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Ukraine has tapped the Lynx going forward as it's future IFV, and with local production there will be lots of hulls to mount Skyranger's which I assume plays a part in this decision.
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KF41 Lynx: Ukraine Chooses IFV for Local Production - Militarnyi
Ukraine has chosen its main infantry fighting vehicle (IFV) for domestic production — the KF41 Lynx from the German defense company Rheinmetall
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I've been resistant to the modularity, offered by Boxer, as more of a fad than a practical solution. With Lynx also being modular, I've now come to the conclusion that a tracked chassis and a wheeled chassis (regardless of chassis manufacturer) which accept common modules, would be an extremely significant advantage to the manufacturing, fielding and training cycle.Ukraine has tapped the Lynx going forward as it's future IFV, and with local production there will be lots of hulls to mount Skyranger's which I assume plays a part in this decision.
KF41 Lynx: Ukraine Chooses IFV for Local Production - Militarnyi
Ukraine has chosen its main infantry fighting vehicle (IFV) for domestic production — the KF41 Lynx from the German defense company Rheinmetall
I'm a firm believer in tracked IFVs in armoured forces, but am not against wheeled armoured vehicles. Each has its place and many of the mission modules ought to be identical.
Betcha we don't have RFP asking for that.
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I've been resistant to the modularity, offered by Boxer, as more of a fad than a practical solution. With Lynx also being modular, I've now come to the conclusion that a tracked chassis and a wheeled chassis (regardless of chassis manufacturer) which accept common modules, would be an extremely significant advantage to the manufacturing, fielding and training cycle.
I'm a firm believer in tracked IFVs in armoured forces, but am not against wheeled armoured vehicles. Each has its place and many of the mission modules ought to be identical.
Betcha we don't have RFP asking for that.
Use the MSVS project as a model.
Two vehicles (MilCOTS and SMP vs Wheels and Tracks) with common fleet of modules.
My problem with your suggestion is that you are likely to get two ridiculously expensive 40 tonne vehicles being used to carry 50 tonnes.
I'd prefer to keep the heavy fleet (greater than 40 tonnes, slow, ponderous and strategically problematic) separate from the light/medium fleet.
I would like that fleet on wheels and light enough that a useful force can be deployed rapidly with the lift actually available to us.
In my view that means keeping dry weights under 15 tonnes and arming them for long range engagements, not for the close fight.
And then ensure we send the right team to the right fight.
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Frankly we shouldn't touch Ajax with a 300ft pole until the vibration and sound issue is solved. Id rather not condemn a generation or two of troops to intentional hearing loss due to poor design.Ajax very definitely is. The Ares version, however, has no turret, just an RWS and more interior space and is classified as the series APC version. It's tough finding info on its pax capacity although I have found its complement to be a crew of two and room for up to seven dismounts.
I haven't seen anything specific on how the Brits are doing the new version of cavalry and have been looking at it as an analogue to how they used Scimitar, Spartan and Stryker. I see Ajax as the Scimitar recce/surveillance replacement and Ares as the Spartan infantry carrier replacement. Since there is no specific Stryker ATGM replacement, I think they are using Ares with dismountable ATGMs. A recce sqn used to have three recce troops, one ATGM troop and one support (infantry) troop.
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CV90 looks better and better.
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Track record.
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More fuel for the Wheels/Tracks discussion.
Ukraine receives Italian Centauro tank destroyers
Ukraine has confirmed receipt of Italian Centauro B1 wheeled armored fighting vehicles, Militarnyi reported. The vehicles were delivered as part of military assistance from Italy; Rome has not disclosed the number of vehicles transferred. The publicly shared images show Centaurodefence-blog.com
The article rehearses the usual arguments pro and con.
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I thought I would check Oryx to find out how the French Centauro had got on, the AMX 10 RC.
Oryx tells me that 3 have been confirmed as destroyed, 2 abandoned and 1 captured.
Oryx also tells me that every vehicle known to man (or at least Western man) has been killed in large numbers in Ukraine regardless of weight of armour, size of gun or means of motion.
That includes all Leopard variants, Challengers, Abrams, Bradleys, Marders and CV90s.
21x Leo 1A5
28x Leo 2A4
13x Leo 2A6
9x Stridsvagn 122 (Leo 2A5)
2x Challenger 2
22x Abrams M1A1 SA
185x Bradley M2A2 ODS-SA
25x CV9040C
52x Marder 1A3
The list includes M113s, Strykers and ACSV and all sorts of MRAPs.
And it applies to artillery, towed and tracked - 105 M777 lost and 105 M109 lost.
One thing I didn't see on the list -
The Gepard.
Further to....
Centauro got the Ukrainian treatment as well.
Centauro B1 Vehicles Transferred by Italy Upgraded for the Ukrainian Battlefield - Militarnyi
Ukrainian paratroopers have reinforced the protection of the Centauro B1 “wheeled tanks,” provided as part of Italy’s military aid, to adapt them to the realities of the Ukrainian battlefield
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Always a problem, isn't it. I always saw the LAV 3 at <18 tons as a a medium armoured vehicle but unfortunately IEDs begot the LAV 6 which is hitting 30 where it starts confusing the issue. Bradley's around 30, CV90 stays under 40, AJAX bounces around 40, Puma at 30-40, and Lynx at 30-45.
I think you can easily get back to a bare LAV 3 type chassis of <12 tons and a tracked chassis at <20 tons and have modules from anywhere from 5 to 15 tons that would provide a standardized system - like a SkyRanger whose turret comes in at around 2 and a bit tons or a MOOG RIwP - that works on both vehicles. Add on armour to the tracked vehicle for work with forward elements but none for the wheeled version for rear areas. Same system within the hull for standardized systems and training.
I agree. It needs some self discipline but if the system is clear that the wheeled vehicle isn't supposed to become an IFV but remain an APC and weapons carrier, then it can be managed.
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Always a problem, isn't it. I always saw the LAV 3 at <18 tons as a a medium armoured vehicle but unfortunately IEDs begot the LAV 6 which is hitting 30 where it starts confusing the issue. Bradley's around 30, CV90 stays under 40, AJAX bounces around 40, Puma at 30-40, and Lynx at 30-45.
I think you can easily get back to a bare LAV 3 type chassis of <12 tons and a tracked chassis at <20 tons and have modules from anywhere from 5 to 15 tons that would provide a standardized system - like a SkyRanger whose turret comes in at around 2 and a bit tons or a MOOG RIwP - that works on both vehicles. Add on armour to the tracked vehicle for work with forward elements but none for the wheeled version for rear areas. Same system within the hull for standardized systems and training.
I agree. It needs some self discipline but if the system is clear that the wheeled vehicle isn't supposed to become an IFV but remain an APC and weapons carrier than it can be managed.
I imagine it would be easier to use the right vehicle for the right job if there were more than one vehicle available.
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The problem isn’t AJAX so much as the modular armor package the UK insists on
It’s fairly unreasonable to expect a vehicle to accept well over 1/3rd of its GVW in armor and function well in either ‘mode’. I liken it to wondering why people complain a soft top vehicle is colder in the winter than a hard top.
That said
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