Canadian Federal Election 44 - Sep 2021

[Brad Sallows]

I isn't buried in POC; it's between B and POC. The author has a point about emphasis, but pretty much ground the head off his axe when he tried to elevate francophones.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Like any race/ ethnically categorizing term, there are problems with 'BIPOC':

'BIPOC' Isn't Doing What You Think It's Doing | Opinion​

But there's another danger to BIPOC. If Audre Lorde famously said that there is no hierarchy of oppression, the term BIPOC sets up just such a hierarchy. While we appreciate highlighting the unique experiences of Black and Indigenous folks, what about the histories and realities of Latino Americans and Asian Americans? Their experiences are also foundational to particular parts of the country, namely the Southwest and the West Coast. These racial groups played a vital role as the dominant "Other" in the white imagination as well, such as when the U.S. government crafted its first anti-immigration law, the Chinese Exclusion Act, in 1882, or in the violent takeover of Mexican territories of what we know as The American West under the guise of "Manifest Destiny," and the malevolent stereotypes of both groups in demonizing opium and marijuana in early 20th-century versions of "The War on Drugs."

Even today, we are seeing huge spikes in anti-Asian hate crimes, and the term BIPOC comes across as deeply problematic in that it obscures a group who should be centered at this moment.

Unfortunately, this is built into the acronym itself: BIPOC sets up an "us vs. them" binary. The acronym for Black and Indigenous shifts Asian/Pacific Islander Americans and Latino Americans "over there," reinforcing the idea of inter-racial conflict rather than interracial solidarity.

'BIPOC' Isn't Doing What You Think It's Doing

The advantages of the term POC over BIPOC are numerous, when you start to think about it.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Altair]

Can I infer from your reply that you completely dismiss the merits of a Canadian specific metric, even if it is something other that FIVM? Do you not agree that indigenous communities in Canada are far more disadvantaged? Do your concerns about burying "B" in "VM" not apply to burying "I" in "POC"?

Black
Indigenous
People
Of
Colour

"Buried"

Want a Canadian context?

Indigenous
Black
People
Of
Colour

Solved.

 

[mariomike]

Whatever acronym is politically correct,

After Monday's vote, the federal Conservative caucus will be 95 per cent white​

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conserative-caucus-95-per-cent-white-1.6185707

more than 30 per cent of the Liberal caucus will be MPs who identify as Black, Indigenous or a person of colour.

 

[Brad Sallows]

"BIPOC sets up an "us vs. them" binary."

Which "POC" (in contrast to not-POC, or "white") does not. Those people are beyond parody.

 

[Blackadder1916]

"BIPOC sets up an "us vs. them" binary."

BIPOC? Doesn't that have three elements, Black, Indigenous, and POC? So, shouldn't it be "ternary"? Or if using it in juxtaposition to "white" then four elements - quaternary?

 

[Brad Sallows]

I suppose you'll have to take it up with the author.

 

[Altair]

Whatever acronym is politically correct,

After Monday's vote, the federal Conservative caucus will be 95 per cent white​

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conserative-caucus-95-per-cent-white-1.6185707

Funny how Trudeau can be racist yet attract BIPOC candidates and have people from BIPOC communities to vote for these candidates.

It's almost like BIPOC don't consider him to be a racist.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Percentage of women in the House of Commons:

Liberal 16.6%

Conservative 6.5%

I wonder how the two parties compare when it comes to mistreatment of women.

Funny how Trudeau can be racist yet attract BIPOC candidates and have people from BIPOC communities to vote for these candidates.

It's almost like BIPOC don't consider him to be a racist.

Except for Celina Caesar-Chavannes who said Prime Minister tokenized her. And Omer Aziz's claims of the racist environment behind closed curtains. Maybe some Carolyn Bennett and so on.


In 2016 Black-Canadians made up 3.5% of the population. Canadians with Asian origins made up 17.7%. Why are they just regulated to being POC and not getting their own letter? IBAPOC. Or maybe be a little more inclusive with JAMBIPOC+

 

[mariomike]

It's almost like BIPOC don't consider him to be a racist.

But, I'm sure you will get an arguement over which acronym is politically correct.

Still won't change the last three elections.

 

[YZT580]

Altair said:
30 percent of the LPC caucus this time around is BIPOC

For reference to the disussion,

Percentage of women in the House of Commons:

Liberal 16.6%

Conservative 6.5%

Women in the 44th Canadian Parliament - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

What percentage candidates? It is the voters who decided on those percentages that you quote. more realistic comparison would be the number of candidates that each party ran.

 

[mariomike]

What percentage candidates?

See Blackadder1916. Reply #1753:

LIBERALS
In this election, 147 Liberal Party candidates are women, 25 candidates identify as Indigenous, and 18 Liberal candidates identify as Black.
A party spokesperson noted that more than one in five of the party's candidates identify as racialized or persons of colour, and 17 identify as LGBTQ2S+.

CONSERVATIVES
As for the Conservatives, they will be running 114 female candidates, which a spokesperson said is the most they’ve ever had. The party is running six Metis candidates and two others who identify as Indigenous.
The Tories have nominated 14 candidates who identify as Black or African Canadian, and 10 Muslim candidates. And in total, their slate has 74 candidates a spokesperson said don't identitfy as Caucasian.
They also said the party is also putting forth four LGBTQ2S+ candidates, including its first trans nominee.

 

[Blackadder1916]

What percentage candidates? It is the voters who decided on those percentages that you quote. more realistic comparison would be the number of candidates that each party ran.

Advocates disappointed by lack of racial diversity among major parties' candidates

Given the racial reckoning that began last year, community organizers and political scientists say it's disappointing that major political parties are still failing to have a diverse slate of candidates.

www.ctvnews.ca

THE NUMBERS
The five parties taking part in the debates organized by the Leaders’ Debates Commission were asked to break down the diversity of their candidates across all 338 ridings, including racial identity, if nominees are members of the LGBTQ2S+ community and if they identify as having a disability. The Green Party of Canada and the Bloc Québécois did not provide such data before this article was published.

LIBERALS
In this election, 147 Liberal Party candidates are women, 25 candidates identify as Indigenous, and 18 Liberal candidates identify as Black.

A party spokesperson noted that more than one in five of the party's candidates identify as racialized or persons of colour, and 17 identify as LGBTQ2S+.

CONSERVATIVES
As for the Conservatives, they will be running 114 female candidates, which a spokesperson said is the most they’ve ever had. The party is running six Metis candidates and two others who identify as Indigenous.

The Tories have nominated 14 candidates who identify as Black or African Canadian, and 10 Muslim candidates. And in total, their slate has 74 candidates a spokesperson said don't identitfy as Caucasian.

They also said the party is also putting forth four LGBTQ2S+ candidates, including its first trans nominee.

BLOC QUÉBÉCOIS
The Bloc Québécois is running 78 candidates in total this election, including 37 women.

A party spokesperson said 13 of their candidates were diverse, the most in the party’s history. The spokesperson did not divulge further information, saying the party didn’t ask their candidates what communities they identified with.

NEW DEMOCRATS
The NDP has nominated 177 women, and 29 candidates who identify as Indigenous. A party spokesperson said there are 104 candidates who identify as “POC” or people of colour.

The spokesperson said 69 candidates are LGBTQ2S+, with 39 candidates saying they had a disability.

 

[Altair]

I wonder how the two parties compare when it comes to mistreatment of women.

Easy to have less conflict with women when there are less women to have conflict with.

Winning strategy CPC

Except for Celina Caesar-Chavannes who said Prime Minister tokenized her. And Omer Aziz's claims of the racist environment behind closed curtains. Maybe some Carolyn Bennett and so on.

Voters> CCC

In 2016 Black-Canadians made up 3.5% of the population. Canadians with Asian origins made up 17.7%. Why are they just regulated to being POC and not getting their own letter? IBAPOC. Or maybe be a little more inclusive with JAMBIPOC+

I have no problem with IBAPOC

 

[Remius]

Easy to have less conflict with women when there are less women to have conflict with

That is dumb. That’s like saying it’s easier to have less racism when there are less black people to have racism with.

 

[mariomike]

That is dumb. That’s like saying it’s easier to have less racism when there are less black people to have racism with.

It may, or may not, ( there was no sarcasm emoji ) been intended as sarcasm.

Because the next sentence was,

Altair said:
"Winning strategy CPC"

Sounds a little bit sarcastic.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

Well this is a stupid conversation.....the voters picked who got to the Hill, not the parties.

Now if only white folk ran for the party.....

 

[Jarnhamar]

Easy to have less conflict with women when there are less women to have conflict with.

With less men in the LPC than the CPC there more mistreatment of women coming out of the LPC Weird.

Voters> CCC

CCC said it best. Tokenism.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Hey look, Trudeau's first post-election apology.

Trudeau apologizes to First Nation in B.C. for not following up on Truth and Reconciliation Day invite​

Link

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau spoke with the chief of Tk'emlúps Nation yesterday and offered an apology for not following up on invitations to visit her community, the nation confirmed Sunday.

Kukpi7 (Chief) Rosanne Casimir said this week the Tk'emlúps te Secwépemc Nation had twice written to Trudeau to invite him to join them to mark Canada's first National Day for Truth and Reconciliation Thursday.

"I did hold out hope that he would be here," she said Thursday.

Sorry, he's busy in meetings all day

 

[Altair]

With less men in the LPC than the CPC there more mistreatment of women coming out of the LPC Weird.

Like I said, winning strategy.

CCC said it best. Tokenism.

Voters don't care.