CH-146 Griffon

[daftandbarmy]

Fixed-forward weapons require multiple low-angle staring runs to project sufficient throw-weight. 

Thanks for this sentence. My personal goal is to use it in at least two meetings this week

 

[Good2Golf]

Thanks for this sentence. My personal goal is to use it in at least two meetings this week

Apparently iOS thinks ‘strafing’ is too offensive..LOL

 

[MilEME09]

Fixed-forward weapons require multiple low-angle staring runs to project sufficient throw-weight.  The time between runs lets the bad guys regroup and reposition to increase their defensibility.  .338 is a good sniping round, but close air support / close combat attack is all about throw-weight.  100 x 7.62 per second is pretty convincing to the bad guys to at least keep their heads down for an extended period. Add 20 x .50/sec and they’re paying attention.  CH-146 CCA in AFG was pretty darned effective, especially when you orbit above The baddies like a mini-AC-130 gun-ship and can put down continuous fire...actually much more effective going through tin roofs of grape huts than LAVs pounding away with 20mm trying to break through 2-3’ of sun-cooked mud walls.

Newer ammo types for the .338 have made the ballistics and stopping power very close to the. 50 but with a significant savings on weight. It is fairly revolutionary all things considered.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/taskandpurpose.com/.amp/military-tech/socom-sig-suaer-mg-338-machine-gun

 

[dapaterson]

Fixed-forward weapons require multiple low-angle staring runs to project sufficient throw-weight.

My wife has repeatedly counselled me about my low angle staring runs.

 

[daftandbarmy]

My wife has repeatedly counselled me about my low angle staring runs.

How did it go when you deployed the 'I'm married, not dead' defensive measures?

 

[dapaterson]

The phrase "the night is young, that's still an option" may or may not have been uttered.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

The phrase "the night is young, that's still an option" may or may not have been uttered.

Your clearly braver than I am......

 

[Good2Golf]

Your clearly braver than I am......

Same.  I wouldn’t risk a siege against a sustained long-term staring run from Higher.

 

[MilEME09]

Same.  I wouldn’t risk a siege against a sustained long-term staring run from Higher.

Best to break contact, launch chocolate counter measures and attempt diplomacy at a later time.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

Fixed-forward weapons require multiple low-angle staring runs to project sufficient throw-weight.  The time between runs lets the bad guys regroup and reposition to increase their defensibility.  .338 is a good sniping round, but close air support / close combat attack is all about throw-weight.  100 x 7.62 per second is pretty convincing to the bad guys to at least keep their heads down for an extended period. Add 20 x .50/sec and they’re paying attention.  CH-146 CCA in AFG was pretty darned effective, especially when you orbit above The baddies like a mini-AC-130 gun-ship and can put down continuous fire...actually much more effective going through tin roofs of grape huts than LAVs pounding away with 20mm trying to break through 2-3’ of sun-cooked mud walls.

The 429?  It has half the payload of the Griffon and by the time you load it up, it will have lost any speed advantage over the Griffon. It’s time in target for weapons/ammo load out would be less than the Griffon.

Funny it took us until the 2000s to figure this out when the French, Brits, Portuguese, South Africans and Americans all figured this out in the 1950s and 1960s.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Funny it took us until the 2000s to figure this out when the French, Brits, Portuguese, South Africans and Americans all figured this out in the 1950s and 1960s.

Well, to be fair, they were all engaged in heavy combat in various parts of the world so the necessity likely drove the invention....

 

[Dale Denton]

Didn't want to make another Attack Helicopter thread. Up to 35 AH-1Zs from USMC may be available. Would be a game-changer to actually add a capability and possibly have them maintained in Mirabel.

Marines Reportedly 'Decommissioning' AH-1Zs As They Shutter Helicopter Operations In Hawaii​

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...-they-shutter-helicopter-operations-in-hawaii

The Marines say ending helicopter operations in Hawaii will help make the service more flexible in the Pacific, especially in any conflict with China. Marine Corps Air Station (MCAS) Kaneohe Bay is slated to see the departure of 35 helicopters, in total, by the end of the 2022 Fiscal Year, as a result of the inactivation of Marine Light Attack Helicopter Squadron 367 (HMLA-367) and Marine Heavy Helicopter Squadron 463 (HMH-463), Marine Captain Colin Kennard, a spokesperson for III Marine Expeditionary Force (III MEF), told the Honolulu Star-Advertiser newspaper. HMLA-367 and HMH-463 are both presently assigned to Marine Aircraft Group 24 (MAG-24), part of the 1st Marine Aircraft Wing. MAG-24 also has two squadrons flying MV-22B Osprey tilt-rotors, as well as one operating RQ-21 Blackjack drones. ​

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Morale in the USMC must be at an all time high.....not! "Yes we want you to take on Chinese forces with no armour and no attack helicopters"

 

[CBH99]

How does getting rid of helicopters increase their flexibility, in any sense?

 

[armrdsoul77]

Webinar presentation of CH-146 Limited life extension program from Vertical Flight Society.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Why are we rebuilding 30 year old helicopters when we have the capacity in Canada to build new replacements for them?

 

[daftandbarmy]

Why are we rebuilding 30 year old helicopters when we have the capacity in Canada to build new replacements for them?

 

[Retired AF Guy]

Why are we rebuilding 30 year old helicopters when we have the capacity in Canada to build new replacements for them?

Probably something to do with stuffing pork in barrels..

 

[dapaterson]

Or not enough money to replace in the numbers we need now, so instead spend 65 percent or so to upgrade.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Sigh at the rate we are going the Iranians will have a younger fleet than us.