Continental Defence Corvette

[Colin Parkinson]

It would be nice to be able to send a team to visit some of these new ships and get to see them during ops and help gather information on what sort of things are what we may want in the CDC, that have already been done before either well or badly.

 

[Underway]

Will it be a challenge to get 27+ on the CDC with a Polar Class of 5 or 6?

I think CDC will aim for 25 knots but now that there is light frigate talk that may no longer be the case. The polar class they want is just ice resistance. There won't be a hull form change just a hull steel change for that. And perhaps some changes to the shaftline and propellers.

They don't want to go through ice per say, they just want to be able to work near ice and not worry so much.

Maybe first year St. Laurence thickness.

 

[Lumber]

If anyone is interested, here's a very nice visit to the first French Defense and Intervention Frigate, the FNS Amiral Ronarc'h in operations sea trials. One of the very interesting feature is the Asymetrical Warfare Operations Center, aft of the bridge, which provides 360 degrees camera surveillance in daylight, low-vis (IR) and night time and centralizes the control of all anti-drone or surface small vessels defense, including high power strobe lights, Ultra sound guns and remote controled small calibre guns.

Unfortunately, it is a French Tv show, so only available in French.

My issue with these types of ops rooms, especially in the case of the Mogami class, is battle damage survivability. These resigns are awesome and really cool and are likely exceptional well suited to constabulary ops. But I worry that they are too "fragile" (I could be wrong). If your tactical display is attached to a shock mounted chassis, it's far less likely to go down from the shock of a torpedo blowing up astern of you or from a missile hit to your hangar then say a giant curved high-def LCD mounted on the bulkhead.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

My issue with these types of ops rooms, especially in the case of the Mogami class, is battle damage survivability. These resigns are awesome and really cool and are likely exceptional well suited to constabulary ops. But I worry that they are too "fragile" (I could be wrong). If your tactical display is attached to a shock mounted chassis, it's far less likely to go down from the shock of a torpedo blowing up astern of you or from a missile hit to your hangar then say a giant curved high-def LCD mounted on the bulkhead.

I would make two points in reply to this:

First, I would say that, in its service life, a frigate such as this, or the CDC, are likely to be employed in constabulary/asymmetrical warfare (small boats and drones) for 99% of their career and in a missile/torpedo environment for about 1% - so why not go for the tools to assist you with your most likely employment; and,

Second, if you are in the later scenario and you took a missile or torpedo hit, I don't think you give much of a flying f..k about losing your "asymmetrical warfare ops room" anymore.

 

[Underway]

My issue with these types of ops rooms, especially in the case of the Mogami class, is battle damage survivability. These resigns are awesome and really cool and are likely exceptional well suited to constabulary ops. But I worry that they are too "fragile" (I could be wrong). If your tactical display is attached to a shock mounted chassis, it's far less likely to go down from the shock of a torpedo blowing up astern of you or from a missile hit to your hangar then say a giant curved high-def LCD mounted on the bulkhead.

I don't think the ship will be large enough to take a missile hit and keep going, while still fighting. @Oldgateboatdriver has it correct, all you efforts will be DC and none of them will be operations room stuff. So consider the ops room disposable after battle damage has been inflicted.

Fight is off the table, down to Move and Float only.

 

[quadrapiper]

I would make two points in reply to this:

First, I would say that, in its service life, a frigate such as this, or the CDC, are likely to be employed in constabulary/asymmetrical warfare (small boats and drones) for 99% of their career and in a missile/torpedo environment for about 1% - so why not go for the tools to assist you with your most likely employment; and,

Speaking of boats, what should the CDC be carrying/have the bay or cradle space for, especially if there's no embarked helicopter?

 

[Underway]

Speaking of boats, what should the CDC be carrying/have the bay or cradle space for, especially if there's no embarked helicopter?

For "Safe at Sea" regulations you need a certain number of operational boats and operational cranes to launch them per number of people onboard. I don't know what the number is but I do know this:

• MCDV's need one crane to launch the rescue zodiac.
• HFX need two cranes, one for the zodiac and one for the 9m (min size) RHIB. (used to be one, was very recently changed to two).
• PRO same as HFX, though the ship has three boat launch cranes IIRC (or perhaps fitted for not with, or one of them is dual use).
• AOPS no idea (@Stoker do you know?)

Ships will not sail if they don't have at least one rescue boat available. You can sail with less than the prescribed number but that requires a risk analysis waiver.

 

[Kirkhill]

For "Safe at Sea" regulations you need a certain number of operational boats and operational cranes to launch them per number of people onboard. I don't know what the number is but I do know this:

• MCDV's need one crane to launch the rescue zodiac.
• HFX need two cranes, one for the zodiac and one for the 9m (min size) RHIB. (used to be one, was very recently changed to two).
• PRO same as HFX, though the ship has three boat launch cranes IIRC (or perhaps fitted for not with, or one of them is dual use).
• AOPS no idea (@Stoker do you know?)

Ships will not sail if they don't have at least one rescue boat available. You can sail with less than the prescribed number but that requires a risk analysis waiver.

@Oldgateboatdriver 's question still stands.

I would rephrase the question and ask the question how much bay and cradle space is being allocated to the storage, management and deployment of UxVs with which the CDCs are likely to be operating.

Old Corvettes crammed every bit of deck and hold space with gear.

Newer vessel designs are emphasizing unutilized space. They are longer. They are beamier. They can displace more when fully loaded. They can carry more deadweight.

But their weapon and sensor fits are not dissimilar to earlier vessels.

A lot of the current generation of vessels look like a Halifax with a 1500 tonne capacity barge grafted on back aft.