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Not suggesting this tank for us, but a interesting look how tank manufactures are trying to address a changing battlefield.
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Interesting that no where in the video does he actually say the MBTs name (KF-51 Panther II I believe).
Also, may be its just me, but when I look at how the front of turret is shaped I immediately think "bullet trap."
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I think it is just titled "New Main Battle Tank" (NMBT) at this point.
I note that it hovers around the 70 ton range so not one of the new lighter slimmer models.
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A bit more on that
Army looks at bringing back the war horse – in ways that should silence any naysayers
Using horses in a modern war may sound anachronistic, but the Household Cavalry Mounted Regiment has been exploring the idea
Apparently horses are still used operationally in Chile and India on the borders.
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New U.S. Army tank and fighting vehicles spotted during live-fire testing
New footage shows the U.S. Army's next-generation M1E3 Abrams tank and two prototypes competing to replace the Bradley infantry fighting vehicle firing live rounds, one of the first public looks at the vehicles in action. The footage was shared on
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1x M1E3 Abrams, 2x XM30, Hanwha Mobile Tactical Cannon, CUAS Robots
Army selects Mobile Tactical Cannon prototype system to advance Fires modernization
The Army announced today an agreement with Hanwha Defense USA, for development of prototypes for the Mobile Tactical Cannon program...
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First look at GDLS entry to replace the Bradley.
www.twz.com
This Is Our First Look At The Wolf Armored Fighting Vehicle That Aims To Replace The Bradley
Wolf is competing against a variant of the German-designed Lynx to become the Army's XM30 Mechanized Infantry Combat Vehicle.
www.twz.com
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Netherlands readies its army for large-scale conflict
The Netherlands will buy more CV90 infantry fighting vehicles, additional bridge-laying tanks, a replacement for its unreliable Kodiak combat engineer vehicle, and new tracked support and heavy recovery vehicles from Germany's FFG, Dutch State Secretary for Defense Derk Boswijk told
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Meanwhile the Dutch are rediscovering heavy armour.
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Not sure that horsemeat constitutes future armour
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Not sure that horsemeat constitutes future armour
About as much armour as an Iltis. But it goes more places and you can eat it.
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Ukraine is arming war robots with grenade launchers to hit the Russians so its soldiers don't have to get too close
Mounting grenade launchers on robots allows Ukraine to bring firepower to Russia while keeping its own soldiers farther away.
www.businessinsider.com
"Defense firm Frontline Robotics makes the Buria autonomous remote weapon station, which allows soldiers to fire grenade launchers and other weapons remotely. Early last year, Ukrainian forces were hiding them in prepared locations to stop Russian advances.
"grenade launchers are useful because soldiers "don't need to see the enemy to hit him." A soldier in hiding is easier to hit with a grenade launcher than, say, a machine gun, which is a line-of-sight weapon."
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"Now, it's being mounted on UGVs, creating small tanks that can advance toward Russian positions without exposing troops."
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"DevDroid's Fedoryshyn said robots armed with grenade launchers are most effective when paired with robots carrying machine guns and aerial drones that can spot targets and direct fire."
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DevDroid's TW-40 ground robotic system has a range of 70 kilometers on paved roads and up to 50 kilometers off-road, making it effective in the kill zone. And the mounted grenade launcher has a reach of 1.5 kilometers.
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"Corporal Igor started a new job this year, swapping the sights of a 105 mm gun on the French Army’s AMX 10 RC reconnaissance vehicle for first-person view goggles and a handheld controller.
"The 21-year-old is now a strike pilot in France’s first dedicated drone-combat squadron, crouching in nettles and tall grass as he guided an FPV drone down a forest path"
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"The 21-year-old is now a strike pilot in France’s first dedicated drone-combat squadron, crouching in nettles and tall grass as he guided an FPV drone down a forest path"
‘Open the hives’ — Why France is turning tank gunners into FPV pilots
Cpl. Igor started a new job this year, swapping the sights of a 105 mm gun on the French Army's AMX 10 RC reconnaissance vehicle for first-person view goggles and a handheld controller.
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problems with the whole ASCOD family with vibrations?
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U.S. Marine Corps buys RIPSAW M3 uncrewed ground vehicles
The U.S. Marine Corps is buying two RIPSAW M3 uncrewed ground vehicles from Textron Systems and its subsidiary Howe & Howe, the company said on November 5. The vehicles will go to the Marine Corps Warfighting Laboratory in Quantico, Virginia,
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Ukrainian tank tactics reviewed by a British tank commander of the Cold War
www.telegraph.co.uk
"A picture emerges of an entirely new approach to mechanised warfare. Tanks are no longer operating as isolated steel monsters, blundering across the battlefield with little idea of what lies ahead. They are becoming part of an integrated fighting system in which reconnaissance drones, attack drones, satellite communications, artificial intelligence and armour work together in real time."
"Colonel Flint’s description of how his tanks operate is strikingly simple. Each vehicle has Starlink connectivity and a tablet inside. The driver and tank commander can watch a live video feed from a drone viewing their own tank from above. The aerial escort of drones identifies threats, scouts the route, clears mines and engages enemy FPV drones. The tank crew can see what is happening around them rather than relying on somebody peering through a periscope or shouting over the radio.
"This is not some fantastically expensive, futuristic system dreamed up by a defence prime contractor. As Flint explains, it is a practical solution developed by soldiers who cannot afford to wait for the next generation of military technology. The Ukrainians are building capability with what they have, adapting it as the Russians change their tactics.
"The next step is even more significant. The regiment is developing its own Battlefield Control software, which will create a shared, constantly updated operational picture. For an armour commander, knowing where friendly forces are, where the enemy is, and where the immediate dangers lie can be the difference between a successful assault and a catastrophe.
"The drones are not simply there to watch, either. They act as an integrated, personal air force working with the ground troops. They clear mines, identify ambushes and attack threats before the armour moves forward. The commander describes the problem of relying on a drone operated by a different unit that might take 30 minutes to reach a target once it has been identified. A tank cannot sit exposed in the open waiting for that kind of support. The answer is to have the right combination of drones already accompanying the vehicles."
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Thoughts on the accompanying infantry - more appropriately the brigades panzer-grenadiers.
"CODE 9.2 has also made innovations with its own infantry, as well as its tanks. Nato armies have spent years debating how to reduce the weight carried by the individual foot soldier. The Ukrainians have taken a new approach. Their assault troops go forward with nothing but personal weapons, some water, ammunition and grenades. Anything else they need is delivered by drone.
"Flint claims that he can deliver 40kg of supplies to each assault soldier every day. Heavy weapons, ammunition, replacement batteries, medical supplies, rations, water, shovels and materials to build dugouts can be flown forward. This is logistics transformed. It reduces the need to expose soldiers and supply vehicles to enemy observation and attack, lightens the often crippling load carried by modern infantrymen and lets troops rapidly establish well-hidden dugouts and other field fortifications."
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Thoughts on AI
"Perhaps the most intriguing development is the use of artificial intelligence. The regiment is training its own software to analyse drone footage, identify destroyed vehicles, distinguish them from intact ones and recognise enemy movements. It is still developing, but the ambition is to provide an assault regiment commander with an AI-assisted tool to plan and conduct operations. This is not artificial intelligence replacing the commander; it is AI helping him make faster and better-informed decisions without needing a small army of human analysts to interpret drone footage."
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Vehicles - 16 tonne and 500 HP
"The Ukrainians are also designing their own armoured assault vehicle, drawing on hard-earned experience of operating Western infantry vehicles such as the American Bradley and Stryker. Their prototype, developed in just four months, is a 16-tonne, 500-horsepower vehicle with Swedish-engineered components, hydraulic drive and a complex five-layered armour system. The commander describes it as ugly but functional. In war, functionality is rather more important than showroom appeal."
Ukraine’s ‘Colonel Flint’ has developed a devastating mixed tank-drone force
Armour can survive the modern battlefield, but not without its own pocket air force
www.telegraph.co.uk
"A picture emerges of an entirely new approach to mechanised warfare. Tanks are no longer operating as isolated steel monsters, blundering across the battlefield with little idea of what lies ahead. They are becoming part of an integrated fighting system in which reconnaissance drones, attack drones, satellite communications, artificial intelligence and armour work together in real time."
"Colonel Flint’s description of how his tanks operate is strikingly simple. Each vehicle has Starlink connectivity and a tablet inside. The driver and tank commander can watch a live video feed from a drone viewing their own tank from above. The aerial escort of drones identifies threats, scouts the route, clears mines and engages enemy FPV drones. The tank crew can see what is happening around them rather than relying on somebody peering through a periscope or shouting over the radio.
"This is not some fantastically expensive, futuristic system dreamed up by a defence prime contractor. As Flint explains, it is a practical solution developed by soldiers who cannot afford to wait for the next generation of military technology. The Ukrainians are building capability with what they have, adapting it as the Russians change their tactics.
"The next step is even more significant. The regiment is developing its own Battlefield Control software, which will create a shared, constantly updated operational picture. For an armour commander, knowing where friendly forces are, where the enemy is, and where the immediate dangers lie can be the difference between a successful assault and a catastrophe.
"The drones are not simply there to watch, either. They act as an integrated, personal air force working with the ground troops. They clear mines, identify ambushes and attack threats before the armour moves forward. The commander describes the problem of relying on a drone operated by a different unit that might take 30 minutes to reach a target once it has been identified. A tank cannot sit exposed in the open waiting for that kind of support. The answer is to have the right combination of drones already accompanying the vehicles."
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Thoughts on the accompanying infantry - more appropriately the brigades panzer-grenadiers.
"CODE 9.2 has also made innovations with its own infantry, as well as its tanks. Nato armies have spent years debating how to reduce the weight carried by the individual foot soldier. The Ukrainians have taken a new approach. Their assault troops go forward with nothing but personal weapons, some water, ammunition and grenades. Anything else they need is delivered by drone.
"Flint claims that he can deliver 40kg of supplies to each assault soldier every day. Heavy weapons, ammunition, replacement batteries, medical supplies, rations, water, shovels and materials to build dugouts can be flown forward. This is logistics transformed. It reduces the need to expose soldiers and supply vehicles to enemy observation and attack, lightens the often crippling load carried by modern infantrymen and lets troops rapidly establish well-hidden dugouts and other field fortifications."
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Thoughts on AI
"Perhaps the most intriguing development is the use of artificial intelligence. The regiment is training its own software to analyse drone footage, identify destroyed vehicles, distinguish them from intact ones and recognise enemy movements. It is still developing, but the ambition is to provide an assault regiment commander with an AI-assisted tool to plan and conduct operations. This is not artificial intelligence replacing the commander; it is AI helping him make faster and better-informed decisions without needing a small army of human analysts to interpret drone footage."
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Vehicles - 16 tonne and 500 HP
"The Ukrainians are also designing their own armoured assault vehicle, drawing on hard-earned experience of operating Western infantry vehicles such as the American Bradley and Stryker. Their prototype, developed in just four months, is a 16-tonne, 500-horsepower vehicle with Swedish-engineered components, hydraulic drive and a complex five-layered armour system. The commander describes it as ugly but functional. In war, functionality is rather more important than showroom appeal."
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An interesting read. It's good to see the acknowledgement that these changes aren't so much revolutionary as evolutionary. Tanks weren't the blind stumbling beasts - even in the Soviet structure they were screened by recce and air surveillance and supported by artillery and infantry at least to the extent of the technology of the past.
The fact that constant innovation is necessary is not a new concept either. The problem has always been how to do it at scale without wasting resources in unproductive innovation. Resources to analyse concepts and deliver them rapidly are what matters. I wish this article had covered how Ukraine adapts and fields innovation at scale rather than within a single regiment.
Incidentally I find the statement about "the problem of relying on a drone operated by a different unit that might take 30 minutes to reach a target once it has been identified" isn't so much a statement about needing organic resources as it is about a system of combined arms integration that is falling short of the mark.
The 16-tonne IFV is also interesting. That's pretty light. I'd like to see more about that. My guess is more emphasis on anti-drone mesh and reactive armour and RWS and less on ballistic armour and a manned turret.
The fact that constant innovation is necessary is not a new concept either. The problem has always been how to do it at scale without wasting resources in unproductive innovation. Resources to analyse concepts and deliver them rapidly are what matters. I wish this article had covered how Ukraine adapts and fields innovation at scale rather than within a single regiment.
Incidentally I find the statement about "the problem of relying on a drone operated by a different unit that might take 30 minutes to reach a target once it has been identified" isn't so much a statement about needing organic resources as it is about a system of combined arms integration that is falling short of the mark.
The 16-tonne IFV is also interesting. That's pretty light. I'd like to see more about that. My guess is more emphasis on anti-drone mesh and reactive armour and RWS and less on ballistic armour and a manned turret.
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