General Election: Oct 21, 2019

[ModlrMike]

I think the big issue for the Green Party WRT pipelines is what happens after the Oil leaves the pipe and gets put on a ship and this is also a Major gripe for many people in British Columbia.  It makes sense given the strong Green presence on Vancouver Island & the surrounding Gulf Islands and honestly, it should be a concern.  A major shipping accident akin to the Exxon Valdez would be absolutely devastating not just ecologically but also economically for Lower Mainland, Vancouver & Gulf Islands, BC and we should take it seriously. 

If and when Trans-Mountain Pipeline does get built, we should have multiple contingency and response plans to deal with such an incident and the Federal Government should have a robust spill response capability.  Given how the Federal Government has severely mismanaged the Coast Guard, Navy and DFO in the past, I see little hope for this yet.

They seem to have no troubles with selling coal.

 

[Remius]

I think the big issue for the Green Party WRT pipelines is what happens after the Oil leaves the pipe and gets put on a ship and this is also a Major gripe for many people in British Columbia.  It makes sense given the strong Green presence on Vancouver Island & the surrounding Gulf Islands and honestly, it should be a concern.  A major shipping accident akin to the Exxon Valdez would be absolutely devastating not just ecologically but also economically for Lower Mainland, Vancouver & Gulf Islands, BC and we should take it seriously. 

If and when Trans-Mountain Pipeline does get built, we should have multiple contingency and response plans to deal with such an incident and the Federal Government should have a robust spill response capability.  Given how the Federal Government has severely mismanaged the Coast Guard, Navy and DFO in the past, I see little hope for this yet.

If oil is extracted responsibly think about how many green energy programs or social programs that could fund.  but yes, you are right hope is fleeting indeed that they can get it right.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Image was too big to load. So, just a link about Doug and Mr. Scheer. 
https://torontosun.com/opinion/cartoons/donato-oct-13

Mission accomplished ...

... "I know you want to see me scrap it out with the feds," Ford told reporters. "I'm just not going to do it." ...

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

They seem to have no troubles with selling coal.

Well Coal also isn't lighter than water and won't kill off the commercial fishing industry, commercial whale watching, tourism, threaten property values, etc.  If there is an incident, because coal is a solid, it will sink to the bottom of the ocean as sediment and while this may be somewhat bad for a few crabs and flora and fauna in the immediate area, it won't do much damage otherwise.  Yes Coal contains bad chemicals but these are only really released and made harmful when Coal is burned. There was a Coal Ship that sank off Victoria in 1891 and they did a study on it and found it too be less polluting than the sewage Victoria dumps in to the Ocean every single day.

It's all about the economy my friend.  A shipping accident involving Coal won't impact large numbers of peoples livelihoods, devastate property values for rich owners, etc.  A large oil spill like the Exxon Valdez will.

If oil is extracted responsibly think about how many green energy programs or social programs that could fund.  but yes, you are right hope is fleeting indeed that they can get it right.

This is really my point, Oil is still going to need to be extracted, refined and used for many different applications outside the automobile, even then, in certain scenarios it is still more useful to use fossil fuels at this time, particularly in extremely cold climates.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Some of the Greens I met in the North could meet the requirements for a Green/Conservative coalition, much more practical than their urban cousins. What the Conservatives should be focusing on is habitat protection and construction. Increasing wetlands is all round good and you can also employ First Nations to build a lot of it. The CPC if they will need to go the FN's and talk about employment, certainly here in BC, the bands will listen to that and want it. Also promoting fish stock management and hatcheries will also help. 

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

Some of the Greens I met in the North could meet the requirements for a Green/Conservative coalition, much more practical than their urban cousins. What the Conservatives should be focusing on is habitat protection and construction. Increasing wetlands is all round good and you can also employ First Nations to build a lot of it. The CPC if they will need to go the FN's and talk about employment, certainly here in BC, the bands will listen to that and want it. Also promoting fish stock management and hatcheries will also help.

This is what I mean, there is lots of common ground to be found and many shared interests.  I am 100% about collaboration as opposed to confrontation which seems to be the way of the world nowadays.

I would have considered voting Liberal but the Socialist bent of Justin Trudeau as well as the numerous questions around Ethics really have made me question his integrity as a person.  the Jody-Wilson Raybould/Mark Norman affairs were really the straw that broke the camels back for me with respect to his ability to effectively govern.

 

[daftandbarmy]

I think the big issue for the Green Party WRT pipelines is what happens after the Oil leaves the pipe and gets put on a ship and this is also a Major gripe for many people in British Columbia.  It makes sense given the strong Green presence on Vancouver Island & the surrounding Gulf Islands and honestly, it should be a concern.  A major shipping accident akin to the Exxon Valdez would be absolutely devastating not just ecologically but also economically for Lower Mainland, Vancouver & Gulf Islands, BC and we should take it seriously. 

If and when Trans-Mountain Pipeline does get built, we should have multiple contingency and response plans to deal with such an incident and the Federal Government should have a robust spill response capability.  Given how the Federal Government has severely mismanaged the Coast Guard, Navy and DFO in the past, I see little hope for this yet.

The big issue for the Greens and pipelines is to corner the market on votes from people under 30 most of whom, of course, aren't working in jobs that make alot of money, own houses, have kids, or who are otherwise heavily invested in the traditional economy yet.

This also helps explain the ridiculous hyperbole around climate change ('Thank Gawd for Gerta' - Elizabeth May) that's ramping up, to get this demographic to vote Green now before they 'grow up', in the traditional economic sense, in the 4 years before the next election because young people don't tend to vote, at all.

It also helps explain their move to change the electoral system to one that recognizes the popular vote, as opposed to riding-centric (whatever that's called because I can't remember right now):                     

What’s fuelling Canada’s Green Party?

The potential Green voter pool is 35% among those 60 or older, and a whopping 58% among those under 30. The accessible Green pool is large enough to have a major impact on every part of the country.

https://abacusdata.ca/whats-fueling-canadas-green-party/

 

[Good2Golf]

I think the big issue for the Green Party WRT pipelines is what happens after the Oil leaves the pipe and gets put on a ship and this is also a Major gripe for many people in British Columbia.  It makes sense given the strong Green presence on Vancouver Island & the surrounding Gulf Islands and honestly, it should be a concern.  A major shipping accident akin to the Exxon Valdez would be absolutely devastating not just ecologically but also economically for Lower Mainland, Vancouver & Gulf Islands, BC and we should take it seriously...

The irony is that hydrogen in the hydrocarbon oil resolved to water upon combustion, however, there isn’t any hydrogen in the BC coal exported to China, India, Japan and elsewhere from Roberts Point on the lower mainland. When burned, that makes predominantly CO2...but that’s okay in the eyes of British Columbians... :

And a post-PANAMAX container ship accident would have no effect on the environment because they operate on pixie-dust and unicorn farts, not maritime distillate oil.

 

[Underway]

Some of the Greens I met in the North could meet the requirements for a Green/Conservative coalition, much more practical than their urban cousins. What the Conservatives should be focusing on is habitat protection and construction. Increasing wetlands is all round good and you can also employ First Nations to build a lot of it. The CPC if they will need to go the FN's and talk about employment, certainly here in BC, the bands will listen to that and want it. Also promoting fish stock management and hatcheries will also help.

Green Party in Canada many years back before May took over had a large group of disaffected PC members.  They are the wing of the party that have more or less been pushed to the side by the Green Marxists.  However in looking at the Green platform you can still see their fingerprints on it, as the Green Party as still much more centre than the NDP generally.

 

[a_majoor]

Finally got a flyer in the front door from the Communist Party, which also has a candidate in my riding (wow, a full house!)

One point which I find interesting is when you read it, at least 2/3 of the issues and platform planks are indistinguishable from the Liberal, Conservative, NDP or Green platforms. If most of the parties are offering the same thing, with only a few minor detail differences, then the election is essentially arguing over what shade of yellow we want to paint the kitchen. While I also have a PPC candidate like virtually every riding, I'm starting to think that for 2024 there should be a concerted effort to get all 14 registered parties to field candidates in all ridings. Canadians need more than a very limited palette of choices when it comes to electoral politics.

https://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=pol&dir=par&document=index&lang=e

• 
  Animal Protection Party of Canada
  Bloc Québécois
  Canada's Fourth Front
  Canadian Nationalist Party
  Christian Heritage Party of Canada
  Communist Party of Canada
  Conservative Party of Canada
  Green Party of Canada
  Liberal Party of Canada
  Libertarian Party of Canada
  Marijuana Party
  Marxist-Leninist Party of Canada
  National Citizens Alliance of Canada
  New Democratic Party
  Parti pour l'Indépendance du Québec
  Parti Rhinocéros Party
  People’s Party of Canada
  Progressive Canadian Party
  Stop Climate Change
  The United Party of Canada
  Veterans Coalition Party of Canada

The other part, which I found rather hilarious, is the section about the military:

"While Trudeau talks about peace, he's increased military spending by 73%, and his Foreign Minister has involved Canada in regime change operations in Venezuela, Brazil, Nicaragua, Syria and now China..."

I would have expected at least a phone call asking about my availability for regime change operations in China, since that might require a bit of extra manpower (if everyone else is already busy in Venezuela, Brazil, Nicaragua and Syria). Oddly, real missions in Latvia, Ukraine and Iraq were overlooked. You would hope that people seeking public office would be at least minimally informed, but I suppose that is too much to expect.

The evening of the 21rst will be interesting.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

The irony is that hydrogen in the hydrocarbon oil resolved to water upon combustion, however, there isn’t any hydrogen in the BC coal exported to China, India, Japan and elsewhere from Roberts Point on the lower mainland. When burned, that makes predominantly CO2...but that’s okay in the eyes of British Columbians... :

And a post-PANAMAX container ship accident would have no effect on the environment because they operate on pixie-dust and unicorn farts, not maritime distillate oil.

No doubt, I also sometimes think the devastation caused by environmental accidents on the water is greatly overstated.  One thing that is never talked about which is the greatest environmental accident on the water of all time, WWII and its shipwrecks:

With the combined total of ships sunk adding up to 7807 vessels (that is an estimate based on known numbers btw, the actual total could be even greater).  If you were to believe the Sierra Club and their messaging about oil spills, the North Atlantic should be proverbial apocalyptic wasteland by now.

That's a lot of crap being spewed in to the water and we have all somehow managed to survive  8)

 

[Remius]

The other part, which I found rather hilarious, is the section about the military:
I would have expected at least a phone call asking about my availability for regime change operations in China, since that might require a bit of extra manpower (if everyone else is already busy in Venezuela, Brazil, Nicaragua and Syria). Oddly, real missions in Latvia, Ukraine and Iraq were overlooked. You would hope that people seeking public office would be at least minimally informed, but I suppose that is too much to expect.

The evening of the 21rst will be interesting.

Well some of us have Tin foil medals with bars for each OP.

 

[Journeyman]

….but the Socialist bent of Justin Trudeau as well as the numerous questions around Ethics really have made me question his integrity as a person.  the Jody-Wilson Raybould/Mark Norman affairs were really the straw that broke the camels back for me with respect to his ability to effectively govern.

For "Socialist," I think I'd be more prone to label it as 'virtue signalling' -- I really (no, not political name-calling), honestly haven't seen any sort of serious Socialist proposals from him -- just posturing for media/global gatherings' coverage.
I think (OK, now  being catty) that between his entitled upbringing and his Mom & Fidel.... any remotely Socialist economics understanding is limited to dorm room poster sayings.

Notice: I'm neither a Socialist, nor have I played one on TV.... but I do read a fair bit. 8)


As for his integrity:  :brickwall:    :waiting:    :not-again:  [go on, try to pick any only two]

 

[Remius]

latest poll tracker sees the gap in seat projections between the CPC and LPC grow.  CPC seems to have dropped. 


https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/elections/poll-tracker/canada/


Maybe their platform release is being reflected.  I’m in the PS and a lot of people I work with we’re planning to vote CPC until they saw their plans for the PS...

 

[OldSolduer]

That's a lot of crap being spewed in to the water and we have all somehow managed to survive  8)

And crap not just in the water. The air has been full of it lately  :facepalm:

 

[stellarpanther]

I was watching a father of a child with autism question Scheer today as to whether he would fund autism treatment if elected.  The response Scheer gave was "absolutely" which caused the ecstatic father raise Scheers' hand like he was the champion for autism.  Scheer then quickly took off before any other questions could be asked.  Later the Conservative Party clarified that they only plan on committing x amount of money for autism research.  If anyone else watched this clip they will clearly see Scheer commitment to a very clear question.  He flat out lied to this poor father.
I've seen Scheer make other BS statements and this is part of why I didn't vote for CPC this time around.  I simply don't trust him.

 

[Jarnhamar]

[quote author=stellarpanther] Later the Conservative Party clarified that they only plan on committing x amount of money for autism research. 
[/quote]

What's the alternative to providing a set amount of funding? Blank check perhaps?

 

[mariomike]

I simply don't trust him.

Regardless of which team you support: ''Believe none of what you hear, and half of what you see.'' 

 

[The Bread Guy]

I was watching a father of a child with autism question Scheer today as to whether he would fund autism treatment if elected.  The response Scheer gave was "absolutely" ...

... Later the Conservative Party clarified that they only plan on committing x amount of money for autism research ...

Sorry, I don't see a conflict between the two bits in yellow -- unless Scheer or the party folk said something more than what you've mentioned, "lied" may be going too far on this one.

Here's what Team Blue's committed to on autism, for the record:

... “Canada’s Conservatives believe that the federal government can play an important role in developing a strategy to assist those living with autism and their families. As Prime Minister, Andrew Scheer will work with autism stakeholders to develop a National Autism Strategy.

“An initial investment of $50 million over five years would be invested to develop a comprehensive strategy in consultation with autistic individuals, autism organizations, provincial, territorial, and municipal governments, and indigenous communities. The National Autism Strategy will be person-centred, include first-person perspectives, will be culturally appropriate, and will reflect the needs of Canada’s northern, rural, and remote communities.

“This is an important first step to support Canadians’ access to meaningful support and resources to live to their full potential, no matter where they live ...

Is that enough?  Fair question.  What's that mean, exactly?  Fair question.  Lie?  Based only on what you've shared, I don't think so on this one.

 

[mariomike]

If he lives in Ontario, the father may have had concerns about Team Blue's policy,

Global News
October 15, 2019

‘Do the right thing’: Eugene Levy calls on Ford government to reverse autism funding changes
https://globalnews.ca/news/6034823/eugene-levy-autism-funding-ford-government/
Deskin said funding to help care for her adult son Michael, who is also Levy’s cousin, has been cut drastically since the Ford government took power.