Government hints at boosting Canada’s military spending

I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[PrairieFella]

So his speech just wrapped up and no specifics at all were discussed. I guess the Min of D will take on the roll of Chief Elf to distribute the gifts individually to the children.

As he should. The PM's job isn't to tell us how many Senators 4 Div is getting or how many CV90s 3 Div is getting. That's on MND and his ADMs.

 

[Seyek]

When do I get to read a collective 'thank-you' to #47?

Without Trump putting Canada on notice the LPC would never be doing this.

I hate the man, and I won't say thank you, but I will acknowledge that 'Russia is our new friend and NATO is bad actually' certainly has motivated people.

For those that can't speak it, in French he's saying investing in small arms, infrastructure.

Thank you for the translation. I'm hopeful, but will try to contain myself until I see weapons in hand, and not just another dozen of whatever on a UOR for Latvia. I'm also hopeful for infrastructure, but most of the buildings I walk into have the same issues they had ten years ago still unaddressed, so remain optimistic, but very cautiously so.

there is a technical briefing underway from DND right now as well

Is this accessible anywhere, I was watching the livestream on CPAC but it ended with his speech.

 

[PrairieFella]

there is a technical briefing underway from DND right now as well

Is it being streamed? Can you give us a play-by-play?

 

[MilEME09]

I hate the man, and I won't say thank you, but I will acknowledge that 'Russia is our new friend and NATO is bad actually' certainly has motivated people.


Thank you for the translation. I'm hopeful, but will try to contain myself until I see weapons in hand, and not just another dozen of whatever on a UOR for Latvia. I'm also hopeful for infrastructure, but most of the buildings I walk into have the same issues they had ten years ago still unaddressed, so remain optimistic, but very cautiously so.


Is this accessible anywhere, I was watching the livestream on CPAC but it ended with his speech.

part of the infrastructure problem is the budget is held nationally and the list is long

 

[MilEME09]

Is it being streamed? Can you give us a play-by-play?

I haven't found one yet, seems to be a closed door briefing with media

 

[Jarnhamar]

As he should. The PM's job isn't to tell us how many Senators 4 Div is getting or how many CV90s 3 Div is getting. That's on MND and his ADMs.

What about when the pay raise he spoke about during the election is coming?

 

[PrairieFella]

What about when the pay raise he spoke about during the election is coming?

That'll be TBS when funds are released. In due time.

 

[PrairieFella]

I haven't found one yet, seems to be a closed door briefing with media

That's probably where the details are being released so the news can accurately report what is concrete so far.

 

[Kirkhill]

part of the infrastructure problem is the budget is held nationally and the list is long

My guess is that the infrastructure budget will be separate from the 2%.

To spend the difference between 1.4% of GDP and 2.0% within this tax year is likely to involve pay increases AND equipment that can be purchased immediately - preferably locally or in Europe (our new best buddies).

My thinking on the infrastructure is that that is where dual function investments are most likely to be found and they can be ascribed to the 1.5% of "soft" money that NATO is proposing.

The difference between 2 and 3.5% is likely to be a longer discussion.

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A road to the Arctic (Gray's Bay) could also be part of the security infrastructure, as could a Coast Guard AOPS stationed at Churchill, and perhaps a breaker permanently stationed at Deception Bay in the middle of the Hudson Strait. It is already shipping nickel from three northern Quebec mines.

 

[MilEME09]

My guess is that the infrastructure budget will be separate from the 2%.

To spend the difference between 1.4% of GDP and 2.0% within this tax year is likely to involve pay increases AND equipment that can be purchased immediately - preferably locally or in Europe (our new best buddies).

My thinking on the infrastructure is that that is where dual function investments are most likely to be found and they can be ascribed to the 1.5% of "soft" money that NATO is proposing.

The difference between 2 and 3.5% is likely to be a longer discussion.

Things off the top of my head LVM - increase numbers, CMAR - order now as the product is ready, ERC -increase numbers, subs - sole source and order now, River class - speed up construction, infrastructure a lot can be done with, reserve armouries, housing, messing, QOL facilities.

 

[Seyek]

My guess is that the infrastructure budget will be separate from the 2%.

To spend the difference between 1.4% of GDP and 2.0% within this tax year is likely to involve pay increases AND equipment that can be purchased immediately - preferably locally or in Europe (our new best buddies).

My thinking on the infrastructure is that that is where dual function investments are most likely to be found and they can be ascribed to the 1.5% of "soft" money that NATO is proposing.

The difference between 2 and 3.5% is likely to be a longer discussion.

Base infrastucture would almost certainly fall under defence spending still. But for things like arctic facilities, maybe it would fall under the dual-function section.

I guess we could sign contracts for major projects, but most of the big ticket projects are already budgeted. Maybe an expansion of existing programs, increase the number of vehicles in the LUV project, more arty for IFM, more rocket artillery than originally planned, more P-8s and/or AEW planes.

I eagerly await details.

BOREALIS sounds like it could fall neatly into that 1.5% category. Maybe the CCG spending will partly under that too.

I didn't really think about the subs. That would be an easy way to hit the goal quickly if we signed a contract now and paid a good chunk of it up front. The only complication is how it fits into the desire to be a part of the European industry initiative.

 

[Kirkhill]

Base infrastucture would almost certainly fall under defence spending still. But for things like arctic facilities, maybe it would fall under the dual-function section.

I guess we could sign contracts for major projects, but most of the big ticket projects are already budgeted. Maybe an expansion of existing programs, increase the number of vehicles in the LUV project, more arty for IFM, more rocket artillery than originally planned, more P-8s and/or AEW planes.

I eagerly await details.

BOREALIS sounds like it could fall neatly into that 1.5% category. Maybe the CCG spending will partly under that too.

Perhaps the Swedes and the Finns will sell you some kit from inventory. They sold the Brits a regiment of Archers which they are replacing. They also have supplied regimental sets of CV90s to the Ukrainians. Upgrading Latvia from ISVs to CV90s?

 

[PPCLI Guy]

I haven't found one yet, seems to be a closed door briefing with media

 

[Remius]

New defence policy.

That will be telling when published. And likely refreshing if it is backed up with action.

 

[Remius]

Things off the top of my head LVM - increase numbers, CMAR - order now as the product is ready, ERC -increase numbers, subs - sole source and order now, River class - speed up construction, infrastructure a lot can be done with, reserve armouries, housing, messing, QOL facilities.

Permanent base in Europe? What is old is new again?

 

[brihard]

I haven't found one yet, seems to be a closed door briefing with media

That's probably where the details are being released so the news can accurately report what is concrete so far.

That’s my understanding. Embargoed technical briefing to media happening 1140 - 1230, and then a media scrum at 1300. Presumably details will be public then or shortly after.

So yeah, that was a ‘holy shit’ speech. I like it. I noted he made a real point several times about diversifying away from procuring from the U.S., and expanding our own defence industry. If our industry is enabled in striking the right partnerships that bodes well.

Getting to 2% in under ten months means some major for-real spending and acquisition will have to happen soon.

A new defence policy being crafted immediately is a great move.

I wonder if this is all part of the consideration in not granting the NDP official party status so they aren’t in committee to muck things up?

 

[Czech_pivo]

That’s my understanding. Embargoed technical briefing to media happening 1140 - 1230, and then a media scrum at 1300. Presumably details will be public then or shortly after.

So yeah, that was a ‘holy shit’ speech. I like it. I noted he made a real point several times about diversifying away from procuring from the U.S., and expanding our own defence industry. If our industry is enabled in striking the right partnerships that bodes well.

Getting to 2% in under ten months means some major for-real spending and acquisition will have to happen soon.

A new defence policy being crafted immediately is a great move.

I wonder if this is all part of the consideration in not granting the NDP official party status so they aren’t in committee to muck things up?

You mean the Project Plowshares folks?

 

[PrairieFella]

That’s my understanding. Embargoed technical briefing to media happening 1140 - 1230, and then a media scrum at 1300. Presumably details will be public then or shortly after.

So yeah, that was a ‘holy shit’ speech. I like it. I noted he made a real point several times about diversifying away from procuring from the U.S., and expanding our own defence industry. If our industry is enabled in striking the right partnerships that bodes well.

Getting to 2% in under ten months means some major for-real spending and acquisition will have to happen soon.

A new defence policy being crafted immediately is a great move.

I wonder if this is all part of the consideration in not granting the NDP official party status so they aren’t in committee to muck things up?

I expect a lot of projects in development hell that are underfunded but ready to go will get vastly accelerated for quick wins. LVM, ERC, LUV, SOCEM, CMAR, etc. Following that, major funding for large capital projects.

 

[PrairieFella]

You mean the Project Plowshares folks?

PROJECT PLOUGHSHARES, not plowshares. Theyre aboit as different as can be lol.

Project Plowshare - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[CountDC]

Some things I hear

Lots of purchases - subs, ships, airplanes, army vehicles, etc.

pay increase at some point.

Coast Guard removed from fisheries and put under defence.

Made in Canada industries - may be given loans/grants/tax breaks counted as defence spending.