Iran Seizes Three British Vessels, 8 Crewmen

[NavyGrunt]

Hey military brat guess what. Your barking up the wrong tree. We are concerned about the british soldiers. We would be angry if they were hurt. We are not "taking sides". We are being "adults" now run along.

Go jump in a boat slap some combats on put a rifle on your lap and speed at an american ship or a candian harbour. Dman right you'll be detained. I recall a certain American sub eaving a certain canadian harbour and a civi wanting to get a closer look so he jumped in his canoe and started paddling. He got within a 100m and was arrested at gun point by port security and was detained.....In canada.  He was not even a soldier and we did that to him. Why cant the Iranians defend themselves in kind- when ARMED SOLDIERS cross over.....

 

[Infanteer]

BTW, I prefer to debate the issues, rather than resort to namecallling. Maybe some of you will do the same?

Oh give it a rest.  Your incessant saber-rattling and jingoism is far from "debating the issue".

 

[Military Brat]

Yes, because the British sailors were speeding towards Iranian ports to get a closer look at their submarines and warships.  :

Puh-lease. They were on a training mission. They had no intention of going into Iranian waters. It was an accident. They weren't going to invade Iran, they weren't going to attack a port or a ship, they were training Iraqi police to IMPROVE stability in the region.

You can't compare apples and oranges. The examples you gave and the Iran situation are two completely different things.

 

[Infanteer]

<click - ignore>

 

[Ex-Dragoon]

Oh there is no doubt that it was an accident but the point is hello....they violated the territorial waters of Iran without prior approval from Tehran. We know that, Tehran knows that and even you know that Military Brat, the point is the Brits are in the wrong. The Iranians could have just as easily blew them out of the water, but they didn't. They didn't shoot first and ask questions later, they stopped them and took the RN into custody just like most other nations would have done. I will play devils advocate here but if the situation was reversed and a naval Pasadaran unit strayed into Iraqi waters what do you think the end result would have been? Probably the same thing!

 

[NavyGrunt]

Im going to spare you a lecture. If you cant see the paralleL Thats your own thing. However I doubt an attempt to set american style democracy in their neighbours is seen by the Iranians as stabalizing the region. If anything I think they would be concerned about this. Maybe even skittish enough to enforce their boundries. But you're in high school so Im sure you know more than the actual CF members on the board.

 

[Military Brat]

Oh there is no doubt that it was an accident but the point is hello....they violated the territorial waters of Iran without prior approval from Tehran. We know that, Tehran knows that and even you know that Military Brat, the point is the Brits are in the wrong. The Iranians could have just as easily blew them out of the water, but they didn't. They didn't shoot first and ask questions later, they stopped them and took the RN into custody just like most other nations would have done. I will play devils advocate here but if the situation was reversed and a naval Pasadaran unit strayed into Iraqi waters what do you think the end result would have been? Probably the same thing!

Yes, they may have violated territorial waters, I never disputed that, but I think their response is a little over the top. Detaining them indefinently, and threatening to prosecute them all because they made a navigational error?

Besides, two wrongs don't make a right. The Brits accidentally breaking the law isn't reason to parade detainees in front of state television(which is against international law as pointed out).

 

[Military Brat]

<click - ignore>

You have contributed nothing to the conversation anyways.

 

[NavyGrunt]

Your last post was more objective and I agree actually. BUT the point is they could have done less yes. But its not WRONG what they have done. It is over the top however I agree,

BUT!!!

EX dragoon pointed out that over there it is well known how strict the Iranians are about thier borders which means the Brits should have excercised better judgement and selected a better, less ambiguous training area.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Not to go off direction here but

Puh-lease. They were on a training mission. They had no intention of going into Iranian waters. It was an accident

How can you speak for the British ship?

 

[Military Brat]

Oh how stupid of me.

I must have forgotten about the part in British naval training where the goal is to venture into enemy waters and get captured.

If the Iranians are so strict about their borders, do you really think the Brits had any intention of actually going into their waters? Honestly. They ventured there accidentally.

 

[stukirkpatrick]

Who knows?  The British small boats could have been taking an SBS team in to blow up an Iranian Nuclear plant, or some other target.  Obviously, out of James Bondian patriotism the team itself jumped overboard to avoid capture.  ;D

 

[Infanteer]

Besides, two wrongs don't make a right. The Brits accidentally breaking the law isn't reason to parade detainees in front of state television(which is against international law as pointed out).

What law is this?   Are you referring to the Geneva Conventions?   I highly doubt they would be applicable considering Iran and Britain are not at a state of war and thus the detainees are not classified as POWs.

You have contributed nothing to the conversation anyways.

The funny thing is, neither have you.   You've succeeded in taking a news story that was off the radar map and forming it into some Gulf of Tonkin incident.   As far as many here are concerned, your repeated efforts at blowing off any attempts to tell you that you're out in left field have already reduced you to relative obscurity on this forum.

Enjoy your 15 minutes.

 

[Military Brat]

Infanteer, I thought you put me on ignore.

Also, even credible news agencies like CNN acknowledge that interviewing the sailors on state TV was against international law. I guess you live in your own bubble.

 

[Infanteer]

I am ignoring your whimsical geopolitical ramblings.

It is your smartass remarks that I have dedicated my attention to.

 

[Military Brat]

Your last post was more objective and I agree actually. BUT the point is they could have done less yes. But its not WRONG what they have done. It is over the top however I agree,

So, in other words, you agree with me.

I'm glad we got our underwear in a knot over nothing.

Have a nice day.

 

[NavyGrunt]

Oh how stupid of me.

I must have forgotten about the part in British naval training where the goal is to venture into enemy waters and get captured.

If the Iranians are so strict about their borders, do you really think the Brits had any intention of actually going into their waters? Honestly. They ventured there accidentally.

THE POINT WAS if there is a chance you could wind up somewhere you dont want to be CHANGE YOUR TRAINING AREA and you wont have an ACCIDENT. By the way your being a dick to everyone who doesnt share your viewpoint and its getting you attention in the wrong way.

 

[Military Brat]

I am ignoring your whimsical geopolitical ramblings.

It is your smartass remarks that I have dedicated my attention to.

You mean like how you said Iran didn't break international law when news agencies around the world say they did?

Who's version shall I believe, the version of an egomaniac infantryman or the version of a worldwide news agency such as CNN? I think the answer is quite clear.

Maybe educate yourself before you talk like you know international laws like the back of your hand.

 

[stukirkpatrick]

Militarybrat, I think you need to learn to be a little more skeptical and a little less trusting of individual sources of info.  CNN, as well as anything/one else, is biased towards matters which affect its interests.  Violating a sovereign nation's territory is also a violation of international law, accident or not.  You can still be convicted of 'killing without intent', that is manslaughter.  The Iranians are breaking the law as well, but you can't deny that the Brits are in the wrong.

And can you honestly say that you yourself (not CNN) know int'l law, Iran national policy, or British military doctrine and operations like the back of YOUR hand? 

Puh-lease. They were on a training mission. They had no intention of going into Iranian waters. It was an accident. They weren't going to invade Iran, they weren't going to attack a port or a ship, they were training Iraqi police to IMPROVE stability in the region.

Iran is a country that has no respect for international laws except when they can use it for their own personal gain (like this incident) and it is truly pathetic that anyone would defend these slimeballs.

Iran stepped out of line, and for that they should be punished. Besides, every time we buy a barrel of oil from the Iranians, it goes to fund their research for nuclear weapons, advanced missiles, or something of the like.

 

[Ex-Dragoon]

Military Brat said:
Maybe educate yourself before you talk like you know international laws like the back of your hand.

Hmmm maybe you should educate yourself on military matters and procedures before you talk out of you @ss like you have been. Read what people have been saying to you and get that chip off your shoulder. You are not winning any points with your antagonist approach.