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I'm not completely sure that you've got the right end of the horse, it might not be the mouth...
Jagmeet Singh, probably the biggest political loser?
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Blackadder1916
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Every political message is a campaign ad in disguise, but yes, he is campaigning. One phrase caught my attention "... when we stand united, we win ..."; sounds very similar to VP Harris' call of "when we fight, we win". It would not surprise me if Singh's move is timed to piggyback off the popularity swing of the Harris/Walz campaign. It's an easy play to cast Poilievre in the Trump role and echo a similar narrative of 'saving democracy'.
If so, his timing is a bit off:
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I am surprised that Singh has actually, and finally, done this. I did not expect it. I would not be surprised, though, if this turns out to be a stunt and he finds a way to weasel out of it.
I am not surprised about the Harris/Walz trajectory. I fully expect them to flame out. Both have mounds of baggage, and no successes to hold up.
This is a Very Good News Day.
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Or it could also be similar to union/labour sentiments of a similar look/feel ....
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reading between the lines, Singh was facing an armed revolt in caucus and polls showed that they were going nowhere but down as long as they were hitched to Trudeau. They are simply launching the lifeboats while they can.
So the NDP have abandoned the formal commitment but will go ‘vote by vote’ going forward. Not a super profound change in real terms, but it will give them more leverage to pressure the LPC on major policy planks. I still wouldn’t bank on an election in the short term, but unhitchhing themselves formally from LPC may bump their support. It definitely ups the pressure on Trudeau.
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Singh pulled out of the agreement. He didn't say he was pulling the trigger on an election. Every confidence vote will be looked at on a case by case basis.
Those are weasel words. Nothing has changed. He cut the marriage as a means for expedient popularity. He's still not willing to mitigate the damage trudeau will do while he remains in power.
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The CPC will start introducing wedge issues, trying to split the progressive/left parties.
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Singh is trying to plug 10 holes in the damn with two fingers. It's too late for him and the NDP. The longer this charade goes on, the farther down both the LPC and NPD will go. If Trudeau had any semblance of sanity, he'd drop the writ now and try and save some seats. Otherwise they're getting obliterated.
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His pension is due in Feb, IIRC. That is less than six months away.Good points.
For now, though, I'm still leaning toward the money (and, if one were truly cynical, JS's pension) meaning no election soon. Still, I'd be happy to be proven wrong on this - I'm intrigued
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Perhaps they'll call for a vote of no confidence. Then people will see whether Singh is willing to poop or get off the pot.
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Assuming PP is suitably mindful of conditions for success, he’ll make sure it’s a vote with a labour/union nexus.
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Still living in the same house but in separate bedrooms. Friends with benefits now.
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Can back to work legislation be put forth as a confidence vote? Surely there are some national strikes looming in federally regulated workplaces.
Singh’s pension is a red herring. He’s in a very safe NDP riding and is in no danger of not being reelected.
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Given the GoC just bargained with the unions that this would be part of their new contracts a lot of them just signed, then almost immediately walked it back, surprised they haven't taken them to court for bad faith negotiation.
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+10 on that.
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In practical terms, given that they also cut huge amounts of desks out so that the PS can't actually all come in 3 days a weeks (with military 5 days a week) and have somewhere to actually work out of is just weird. Last I checked the math, if you set the work week at M-F with core hours from 9-2 (allowing flex hours around that) you can't fit people into 40% of the space when they are in 60 or 100% of the time.
Some of those buildings were sold, others had the lease expire and everyone moved out, so it's not like they can easily walk back that part either. This has got to be the least enforced order I've seen, but it just doesn't actually work.
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OK, you'll have to clarify for me.
Where did I mention his pension, other than to answer BG, in this whole thread?
What does your answer have to do with the CPC proposing a non confidence vote and seeing Singh's response to it?