Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

[Colin Parkinson]

And I assume that the pay/training for young, fit and armed men/women at the gates would be the next step.

My current work has to pay $37 per hour to try to maintain 1 guard 24hrs a day and that is still a struggle. They used to pay $23 an hour and often could not fill shifts. If you want young fit , armed people for the role then consider that pay as the floor and work up. Keep in mind it's unglamorous work, with a lot of animosity towards you and bosses with often unrealistic expectations. So expect a high turnover. Plus if they are armed that adds a whole new level of training and requirements. Which might be interesting considering they could be right on the border of DND and municipal property.

 

[YZT580]

I wonder how much dirty , outside work with heavy lifting Dame Judy does.

probably very little. She is a successful actress and seems to avoid politics except for her appearances with King Charles as part of her responsibilities as awarded royalty. She wants to die backstage after a performance i.e. no retirement although whether her health will allow that is a good question. Well respected and it is well earned.

I’m not the one writing anyone off. The Commissionaires are doing that themselves.

It’s up to them to adapt to the evolving security environment and changing requirements. If they fail to do so, they risk being left behind. It is not the Government of Canada’s responsibility to make those adaptations on their behalf.

agreed. read my reply. If they can't supply the resources to meet the requirement then they don't deserve the contract. I simply said, don't write them off.

 

[Czech_pivo]

My current work has to pay $37 per hour to try to maintain 1 guard 24hrs a day and that is still a struggle. They used to pay $23 an hour and often could not fill shifts. If you want young fit , armed people for the role then consider that pay as the floor and work up. Keep in mind it's unglamorous work, with a lot of animosity towards you and bosses with often unrealistic expectations. So expect a high turnover. Plus if they are armed that adds a whole new level of training and requirements. Which might be interesting considering they could be right on the border of DND and municipal property.

72k/yr for 37$/hr at 37.5hrs/week for 52 weeks.
How much training, what qualifications and age requirements are there for this role?

72k/yr is pretty decent money overall. That’s much higher than a lot of entry level jobs that require a uni degree.

 

[mariomike]

She wants to die backstage after a performance

I'm sure she will give a good performance.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

72k/yr is pretty decent money overall. That’s much higher than a lot of entry level jobs that require a uni degree.

CAF pay rates enter the room

 

[brihard]

My current work has to pay $37 per hour to try to maintain 1 guard 24hrs a day and that is still a struggle. They used to pay $23 an hour and often could not fill shifts. If you want young fit , armed people for the role then consider that pay as the floor and work up. Keep in mind it's unglamorous work, with a lot of animosity towards you and bosses with often unrealistic expectations. So expect a high turnover. Plus if they are armed that adds a whole new level of training and requirements. Which might be interesting considering they could be right on the border of DND and municipal property.

If they’re armed, turnover will be quite high unless pay’s really good. There will be a disproportionate number going for things like policing, CBSA, Parliamentary Protective Service, other peace officer gigs, etc.

 

[Jarnhamar]

It appears that they were trying. They certainly presented a competitive bid.

They still employ around 3500 veterans (about 17% of their work force).

G4S does their own veteran thing though the Canadian Military Employment Transition program. It's an initiative developed to assist CAF members and vets seeking to find jobs in the civilian workforce. I think they have some good success rates, but not really high numbers of participants.

Ummmm.....

The Government of Canada spent over $440 million on Microsoft software licenses between March 2025 and March 2026.

99 % usage rate across an enterprise as large as the GoC is cause for celebration. It is not at all a gotcha moment.

Yeah, swing and a miss by me.

 

[HavokFour]

It's that time of year again.

[CBC]Liberal government to table budget on Nov. 5​

 

[Czech_pivo]

It's that time of year again.

[CBC]Liberal government to table budget on Nov. 5​

Hmmmm Liberal Budget, Guy Fawkes night…..seems like a match made in heaven…

 

[Halifax Tar]

72k/yr for 37$/hr at 37.5hrs/week for 52 weeks.
How much training, what qualifications and age requirements are there for this role?

72k/yr is pretty decent money overall. That’s much higher than a lot of entry level jobs that require a uni degree.

<derail on>

I've never agreed with the idea that a person's value should be measured by their education. To me, that's a flawed metric.

I care far more about what someone contributes to society. The person collecting my garbage provides a service I rely on every week and is, in many ways, more important to my daily life than most degree holders. Yet those essential workers are often significantly underpaid.

CAF pay rates enter the room

Very respectfully, we have learned time and again that this job carries significant risks, both during peacetime and in conflict. If we want people to serve in these roles, their compensation must reflect the realities of the profession.

<derail off>

 

[PPCLI Guy]

I've never agreed with the idea that a person's value should be measured by their education. To me, that's a flawed metric.

I care far more about what someone contributes to society. The person collecting my garbage provides a service I rely on every week and is, in many ways, more important to my daily life than most degree holders. Yet those essential workers are often significantly underpaid.

I couldn't agree more. I was OCTP, and made it to LCol before I got a "degree"....in 8 months by correspondence, which says everything one needs to hear about a piece of paper vs an actual education, as well as the institution that issued the "degree"....RMC

Very respectfully, we have learned time and again that this job carries significant risks, both during peacetime and in conflict. If we want people to serve in these roles, their compensation must reflect the realities of the profession.

<derail off>

I was offering a comparator to point out how well compensated the CAF is, especially after the massive raise.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I was offering a comparator to point out how well compensated the CAF is, especially after the massive raise.

And we are worth every penny and more.

 

[Czech_pivo]

<derail on>

I've never agreed with the idea that a person's value should be measured by their education. To me, that's a flawed metric.

I care far more about what someone contributes to society. The person collecting my garbage provides a service I rely on every week and is, in many ways, more important to my daily life than most degree holders. Yet those essential workers are often significantly underpaid.


<derail off>

I don't believe that I said that or was trying to imply that. If the qualifications are not pre-determined by some need for a college/uni degree or previous military/police service, then this could be quite a good job to land for someone 18yrs old straight out of high-school who might be unsure of what to do 'with their life'. Being 18-20yrs old with no post-secondary education or other training and landing a gig at 72k a yr would be like winning the lottery for most of these people.

And yes, the person collecting our garbage is providing a very significant service, though automation is taking over, at least here in Burlington, the need for the person at the back of the truck to bending and picking up the bins at every house and dumping them in the back of the truck is fading away. For us its a single person driving the truck that lines the truck up to the bin and a hoist picks up the bin by latching a small hook unto a metal rail. The driver now sits in the cab and pushes a button, the hook arm comes out picks up the bin, dumps it, sets it down and the driver drives off to the next house to repeat. What used to be a 2 person team is now just a solo job. He's is now more like that of a bus driver in essence - just drives a set route and makes multiple pick ups.

 

[Jarnhamar]

We need a short war against machines to reach us the dangers of automation and abominable intelligence.

 

[ytz]

I've never agreed with the idea that a person's value should be measured by their education. To me, that's a flawed metric.

I care far more about what someone contributes to society. The person collecting my garbage provides a service I rely on every week and is, in many ways, more important to my daily life than most degree holders. Yet those essential workers are often significantly underpaid.

Very much agreed. I think the main value of a degree was that I learned how to learn. And some specialized subject matter. The only reason I think officers should have one these days is because I don't think high schools produce the literacy and critical thinking they used to. Nor are young people nearly as mature these days at 18-19.

On the pay front? Straight up pay people what it takes to fill the job. And SF is basically some variation of infantry and MP. So now way they get paid less than those guys. And I actually worry that once these people get trained and cleared, the risk of getting poached is high.

Very respectfully, we have learned time and again that this job carries significant risks, both during peacetime and in conflict. If we want people to serve in these roles, their compensation must reflect the realities of the profession.

100%. Not just risk. We need to stop treating security as a secondary duty. Taking it seriously requires trained, dedicated and committed professionals. And professionals are never cheap.

 

[ytz]

Being 18-20yrs old with no post-secondary education or other training and landing a gig at 72k a yr would be like winning the lottery for most of these people.

Who says they aren't getting trained?

 

[Czech_pivo]

Who says they aren't getting trained?

I didn't say that - I meant prior to be hired

 

[RangerRay]

On the pay front? Straight up pay people what it takes to fill the job. And SF is basically some variation of infantry and MP. So now way they get paid less than those guys. And I actually worry that once these people get trained and cleared, the risk of getting poached is high.

Ding ding ding! If you pay and treat people right, you won’t lose them.

Who says they aren't getting trained?

I think he means training certifications required before getting hired.

 

[PrairieFella]

We need a short war against machines to reach us the dangers of automation and abominable intelligence.

How Butlerian.

 

[dapaterson]

How Butlerian.

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