Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

[GR66]

What I really don't get is the people that are rubbing their hands with glee at the thought of the impending failure of the Carney government.

I voted Conservative in the election. But the last thing I want is for the sitting government (of whatever party) to fail the people of Canada.

So many people looking at the trade announcements and MOU's being announced are saying things like "yeah, but those are just announcements...nothing will actually come from them then Canadians will turn on Carney and then we'll beat him".

It's like they'd rather see the country suffer rather than see their political opponent succeed. Demonstrates the sad state of political discourse these days.

 

[Remius]

What I really don't get is the people that are rubbing their hands with glee at the thought of the impending failure of the Carney government.

I voted Conservative in the election. But the last thing I want is for the sitting government (of whatever party) to fail the people of Canada.

So many people looking at the trade announcements and MOU's being announced are saying things like "yeah, but those are just announcements...nothing will actually come from them then Canadians will turn on Carney and then we'll beat him".

It's like they'd rather see the country suffer rather than see their political opponent succeed. Demonstrates the sad state of political discourse these days.

Those same people voted for a guy with a 17 page policy book that was mostly pictures of him and his wife and fancy slogans. Partisanship will always trump substance for some.

 

[GR66]

Those same people voted for a guy with a 17 page policy book that was mostly pictures of him and his wife and fancy slogans. Partisanship will always trump substance for some.

But isn't that sentiment just the same thing in the other direction? Is the 17-page policy book the only thing that defined the years of opposition to the disaster that was JT?

I'm personally not a PP fan and think he needs to go so that the Conservatives can offer a solid alternative to Carney but it's wrong to just write off Conservative discontent because of the leader's "style"

 

[PPCLI Guy]

Price of the election is just a rounding error.

The disruption to the functioning the Nation in times of increased certainty is not a rounding error. Not sure that this is a good time to take the 3 PPCLI "there must be a harder way" approach

 

[FJAG]

To say having 41.3% of the votes for his party, 2.5% less that the grand victor, is a rejection is equally ridiculous.

That's true. But taken in context one also has to look at leadership approval by Canadians.

Poilievere came into the game against Trudeau with a substantial margin. By the end of 2024 the CPC polled 45% against the LPCs 20% and NDPs 20%. That was all anti-Trudeau sentiment.

Even when Carney took over, Poilievre's numbers at the time of the election were okay. At the end of April 2025, he polled 40.7% to Carney's 46.9%. Those are numbers that reflect the election results. Since then, however, Poilievre has been dropping in support to where, in March 2026, 56.9% of Canadians favour Carney and only 21.6% Poilievre. 66% of Canadians approve of the current government and 34% disapprove. If anything is being rejected by Canadians at this time it's Poilievre.

To keep touting the 2025 election result as a "rejection" of the LPC is clearly not where the country is as of today. Carney has shown himself as an effective leader who not only turned his own party around in the months before the election but who since then has built on strength to a majority approval. Poilievre in the meantime lost an election that was "in the bag," not to mention his own seat, and since then has steadily dropped in the polls. He's ineffective as an opposition leader, especially at a time where external factors are forcing a crisis at home.

Look. I've been voting PC and CPC since the 1970s right up to Harper and against JT. The current iteration of the CPC, however, has nothing for me anymore. I've never voted for JT or even Carney . . . But Carney and Carney's government are what this country needs at this time. They are, so far, pointing the country in the right direction. I'm part of that 66% majority that accepts the LPC government and rejects the current CPC. I don't doubt that there is still a mob inside the LPC that I disagree with. It will take time to see what carney can do with that and I, for one, am prepared to give him the time.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

I see we have quickly reverted to this:

 

[Jarnhamar]

What I really don't get is the people that are rubbing their hands with glee at the thought of the impending failure of the Carney government.

Look at how much Poilievere gets mentioned in this thread compared to Carney, and the CPC to LPC.

People are really excited to see Poilievre fail (more). The whole what Liberals are doing in government seems to be a distant second interest.

So many people looking at the trade announcements and MOU's being announced are saying things like "yeah, but those are just announcements...nothing will actually come from them then Canadians will turn on Carney and then we'll beat him".

It's like they'd rather see the country suffer rather than see their political opponent succeed. Demonstrates the sad state of political discourse these days.

I'm one of the most guilty, if not top dog, here.

It's a relief when a bunch of privates go on a tasking to another country and don't make a fool of themselves. It's not a metric we (should) have to hold to our PM - but we all know about Trudeaus follies. Carney deserves the highest bar, not our previous lowest.

It's true some of us just want to see the world burn and we'll always find things to lament about in government. Others simply aren't impressed anymore by shaking hands and pinky promises.

 

[RangerRay]

Carney might now have a majority, but it doesn’t solve his problem of a caucus full of Trudeau re-treads.

You're intentionally ignoring my point to further your partisan point. We get it, you dislike PP.

As I said, neither got a majority, so both were "rejected" by the Canadian electorate. That was my point.

By that metric, all parties and leaders have been rejected by voters since 1988. The last absolute majority was Brian Mulroney and the old PC’s in 1984.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Those same people voted for a guy with a 17 page policy book that was mostly pictures of him and his wife and fancy slogans. Partisanship will always trump substance for some.

I think the CPC had 30 pages in their policy book and 17 pictures of Poilievre. LPC had twice the pages with just one Carney picture.

It's funny. Poilievre gets attacked for not being personable and being too mean. Too drab. So he adds some family pictures and colour. Then he gets called out for having pictures. What a sucker.

 

[FJAG]

I see we have quickly reverted to this:

 

[Jarnhamar]

The disruption to the functioning the Nation in times of increased certainty is not a rounding error. Not sure that this is a good time to take the 3 PPCLI "there must be a harder way" approach

I understand your point. The way I see it Canadians voted in a minority government. Canadians writ large aren't turning that into a majority, a handful of MPs are. Polls say otherwise? We should prove it where it counts.

Acknowledging the difficult time, an election would give the Liberal true moral authority to lead and not just sneaky MPs and timing. This is more noble than a middle-of-covid election. I'd argue more is at stake too.

 

[Maxman1]

The disruption to the functioning the Nation in times of increased certainty is not a rounding error. Not sure that this is a good time to take the 3 PPCLI "there must be a harder way" approach

How about a by-election for a member who crosses the floor. That would confirm that member's constituents support them and their decision to change party.

 

[Jarnhamar]

How about a by-election for a member who crosses the floor. That would confirm that member's constituents support them and their decision to change party.

Much better than my idea. Cheaper and less intrusive.

 

[brihard]

How about a by-election for a member who crosses the floor. That would confirm that member's constituents support them and their decision to change party.

It was introduced in a bill a few years back. Poilievre was among those who voted it down… shrug.

 

[GR66]

How about a by-election for a member who crosses the floor. That would confirm that member's constituents support them and their decision to change party.

Because in a representative Parliamentary Democracy we don't vote for a party. We vote for a Member of Parliament.

Parties are an artificial construct that we've put in place to identify groups of MPs that choose to work collectively to a common purpose in Parliament.

While you may have made your decision on what candidate to vote for based on their claimed party allegiance at the time of the election you did NOT vote for their Party. You voted for them as an individual. They may change their Party allegiance while sitting as an MP but that doesn't change the fact that they were elected as an individual to represent the people of their riding.

You could ban political parties tomorrow and groups of MP's would still vote together in blocks to support the person they think best to lead the country....and would sometimes vote against their personal beliefs or what they told their voters they believed in order to compromise with other MP's to see their overall vision carried through. That is human nature and the nature of collective decision making.

If you don't like the decisions the individual you have voted for has made while representing you in Parliament then you can vote for someone else in the next election.

 

[MilEME09]

It's a relief when a bunch of privates go on a tasking to another country and don't make a fool of themselves. It's not a metric we (should) have to hold to our PM - but we all know about Trudeaus follies. Carney deserves the highest bar, not our previous lowest.

It's true some of us just want to see the world burn and we'll always find things to lament about in government. Others simply aren't impressed anymore by shaking hands and pinky promises.

Case and point was Carney's press conference in Japan, taking a moment to speak Japanese, from the heart speaks volumes more then PMJT playing Mr. Dress up on foreign trips.

 

[Remius]

I think the CPC had 30 pages in their policy book and 17 pictures of Poilievre. LPC had twice the pages with just one Carney picture.

It's funny. Poilievre gets attacked for not being personable and being too mean. Too drab. So he adds some family pictures and colour. Then he gets called out for having pictures. What a sucker.

Maybe if he had more to go with those pictures. But alas.

 

[MilEME09]

Maybe if he had more to go with those pictures. But alas.

it was also the fact that while doing that, the various CPC attack dogs started attacking Carney for not having his family in pictures, and then attacking his family directly. Which once again turned me further off from the CPC train

 

[Furniture]

That's true. But taken in context one also has to look at leadership approval by Canadians.

Poilievere came into the game against Trudeau with a substantial margin. By the end of 2024 the CPC polled 45% against the LPCs 20% and NDPs 20%. That was all anti-Trudeau sentiment.

Even when Carney took over, Poilievre's numbers at the time of the election were okay. At the end of April 2025, he polled 40.7% to Carney's 46.9%. Those are numbers that reflect the election results. Since then, however, Poilievre has been dropping in support to where, in March 2026, 56.9% of Canadians favour Carney and only 21.6% Poilievre. 66% of Canadians approve of the current government and 34% disapprove. If anything is being rejected by Canadians at this time it's Poilievre.

To keep touting the 2025 election result as a "rejection" of the LPC is clearly not where the country is as of today. Carney has shown himself as an effective leader who not only turned his own party around in the months before the election but who since then has built on strength to a majority approval. Poilievre in the meantime lost an election that was "in the bag," not to mention his own seat, and since then has steadily dropped in the polls. He's ineffective as an opposition leader, especially at a time where external factors are forcing a crisis at home.

Look. I've been voting PC and CPC since the 1970s right up to Harper and against JT. The current iteration of the CPC, however, has nothing for me anymore. I've never voted for JT or even Carney . . . But Carney and Carney's government are what this country needs at this time. They are, so far, pointing the country in the right direction. I'm part of that 66% majority that accepts the LPC government and rejects the current CPC. I don't doubt that there is still a mob inside the LPC that I disagree with. It will take time to see what carney can do with that and I, for one, am prepared to give him the time.

I'm not anti-Carney, I'm just pointing out the level of partisan silliness I see on here directed at Poilievre.

Poilievre delivered the best national numbers for the CPC since the 80s, despite the LPC taking essentially the entire CPC policy after parachuting in a celebrity(of sorts) leader after having very publicly pushed-out the leader that was disliked/despised. That's hardly a rejection of the CPC, even if Poilievre's own riding didn't re-elect him.

As for the falling numbers, it makes sense. The world is in turmoil, so people are clinging to what they know is working. That was also a factor in the LPC retaining a minority. There is also the reality that the CPC is too closely associated with Alberta separatism, which is not a failing of Poilievre's making.

Carney is so far an effective PM, and has reigned-in the crazies in the LPC. He is essentially a more bold, and slightly red tinted Harper. I'd be quite happy to see him continue as PM with a minority, so that he is forced to keep a lid on the LPC crazy. With a majority, he might be inclined to let the lunatics free again, to save his own neck from internal politics.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Maybe if he had more to go with those pictures. But alas.

Apparently those pictures are worth 17,000 words.