Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

[Navy_Pete]

Before you rush to celebrate one on one issue (which took a full year to repeal that law that they implemented in the first place), you still have a plethora of other issues to tackle
-Energy
-Resource development
-TRADE DEAL with USA and Mexico
-Crime
-Immigration
-F35 decision (WAY over due)
-The federal portion of housing development (Way under the numbers he promised last year)

Explain away

The F35 decision is already made, and we know we're getting some and ramping up to get the original number of them with the infra, they just haven't made the full commitment. We also still have a trade deal with the US and Mexico, and no one can rationally bargain with Trump, who doesn't respect deals anyway, so expecting anyone to achieve that is unreasonable.

All the other things are generational strategic things, how much do you expect to get implemented in a year by anyone, especially as a lot of it is provincial and municipal? Immigration numbers were significantly cut though, but again reforming that whole system isn't quick or easy. A lot of it is societal as well, and not something a governement can do other than maybe influence the general direction anyway.

If nothing would satisfy you other than a whole sale wipeout of the current LPC, that's fine, but cricizing the current GoC and saying PP would have made any more real progress on any of that is unrealistic. It didn't happen with the Harper government PP was part of either (when he achieved very little as the housing lead), that's just how it goes in a democracy. If you want instant change go live in a dictatorship for a while.

 

[Eaglelord17]

Before you rush to celebrate one on one issue (which took a full year to repeal that law that they implemented in the first place), you still have a plethora of other issues to tackle
-Energy
-Resource development
-TRADE DEAL with USA and Mexico
-Crime
-Immigration
-F35 decision (WAY over due)
-The federal portion of housing development (Way under the numbers he promised last year)

Explain away

What magic handwaving do you think the CPC is going to do on these issues? I have voted Conservative my whole life but I am not ignorant enough to believe they could resolve your complaints with any sort of speed faster than currently happening.

So far Carney has put more money where his mouth is than any politician in the last 20 years.

Energy- what magic wand can he wave to make things happen? Harper couldn’t build quickly, why would Carney be able to?

Resource development- Again how quickly do you think any of this happens? Decades is the correct answer.

Trade deal with USA and Mexico- What do you think PP could do the Liberals can’t? Trump doesn’t want a trade deal he wants submission. So unless your willing to accept a terrible deal, likely worse than the status quo, waiting it out is the best decision.

Crime- The Liberals could do more on this, but it isn’t just a Federal issue, a substantial part is also the provinces not doing their part and funding the judges and prisons needed.

Immigration- Numbers are drastically down compared to a few years ago. We actually shrank last year.

F35 decision- yes they could decide there but the other side is the Carney government is the first in almost 40 years to hit above 2% on defence. They are taking it seriously which something none of the other politicians or political parties in my lifetime can claim.

Housing- This all takes time. Amazing how poor decisions made decades ago have come to roost and it takes years to correct it.

 

[ArmyRick]

It didn't happen with the Harper government PP was part of either (

Small point, life in Canada was perceived as being much better during the Harper years. By a long shot.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Small point, life in Canada was perceived as being much better during the Harper years. By a long shot.

Maybe some of Harpers shine was 'T'd' up by the economic policies put in place by Paul Martin Jr? Another blue Liberal if there ever was one. Add in the bringing down the CAF defense spending to under 1% for a time and viola, let the good times roll.

I hate supporting the Liberals, but sometimes facts speak for themselves and ignoring them is not the best approach either.

 

[ArmyRick]

Maybe some of Harpers shine was 'T'd' up by the economic policies put in place by Paul Martin Jr?

I have said it here before, it was a good time to first have Martin then Harper. Both were excellent with finances.

I have also said it before, I was on a hair line decision between voting Martin Libs and Harper cons in 2004.

I hate supporting the Liberals,

Then don't. We have the same Liberal government that brought us a decade plus of ruin for everything, now has a new front man, the changes are very small, lots of talk and very little action.

I would take the Harper years (keeping in mind I turned against the Harper CPC after 2008) over Trudeau/Carney years any day of the week.

 

[Czech_pivo]

I have said it here before, it was a good time to first have Martin then Harper. Both were excellent with finances.

I have also said it before, I was on a hair line decision between voting Martin Libs and Harper cons in 2004.


Then don't. We have the same Liberal government that brought us a decade plus of ruin for everything, now has a new front man, the changes are very small, lots of talk and very little action.

I would take the Harper years (keeping in mind I turned against the Harper CPC after 2008) over Trudeau/Carney years any day of the week.

Its early days yet to write the chapter on Carney.

 

[RangerRay]

I would argue that many of these problems we are seeing manifest today were decades in the making. Even as recently as the Harper years, despite record housing prices, housing affordability was not seen as an existential issue like it is today.

That is to say, many of these existential issues we face today were decades in the making thanks to policies of various previous governments at all levels. It will probably take decades to unfuck things and great resistance to inducements from interest groups to revert to normal.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Meanwhile, Canada's 'brand' is being recognized by others in the USA, and around the world:

Canada called on to fill ‘vacuum’ in LGBTQ+ advocacy worldwide in face of Trump cuts​

The former U.S. diplomat for LGBTQ+ rights is urging Canada to boost its support for gender and sexual minorities abroad — and South Africa says Ottawa can help hold the line against the Trump administration’s efforts to erode human rights globally.

American cuts to foreign aid and Washington’s co-ordination with dictators loomed large at this week’s Ottawa Civic Space Summit. The a conference of development and human rights workers was hosted by Resilient Societies and Co-operation Canada, a coalition of dozens of Canadian non-profits working in international assistance.

“There is so much to be gained from Canada stepping into this vacuum and showing what it stands for,” Stern told The Canadian Press.

“There aren’t enough countries in the world that champion LGBTQI issues. The consequence is that Canada plays an outsized role.”

Stern’s role expired in January 2025 when Biden left office. Her last task was completing assessments of LGBTQ+ rights in 193 countries as part of the U.S. State Department’s annual human rights report.

Canada called on to fill 'vacuum' in LGBTQ+ advocacy worldwide in face of Trump cuts

The former U.S. diplomat for LGBTQ+ rights is urging Canada to boost its support for gender and sexual minorities abroad.

cheknews.ca

 

[Altair]

Worse kept secret in Ottawa, Alexandre Boulerice is going to be running for Quebec Solidaire.

New seat that the LPC likely pick up as he was a popular MP for the riding, way out polling the NDP in Quebec.

Also means the NDP are down to 5 members, and have no MPs in Eastern Canada.

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[brihard]

Worse kept secret in Ottawa, Alexandre Boulerice is going to be running for Quebec Solidaire.

New seat that the LPC likely pick up as he was a popular MP for the riding, way out polling the NDP in Quebec.

Also means the NDP are down to 5 members, and have no MPs in Eastern Canada.

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Orange is the new Green?

 

[Altair]

Orange is the new Green?

I think this stops the bleeding for the NDP, depending on how angry Heather McPherson is.

But ya, rump party status.

 

[ArmyRick]

Worse kept secret in Ottawa, Alexandre Boulerice is going to be running for Quebec Solidaire.

New seat that the LPC likely pick up as he was a popular MP for the riding, way out polling the NDP in Quebec.

Also means the NDP are down to 5 members, and have no MPs in Eastern Canada.

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CBC was spreading that about 3 weeks ago. Avi Lewis better get to work or they will be down even more seats.

 

[HavokFour]

I think this stops the bleeding for the NDP, depending on how angry Heather McPherson is.

But ya, rump party status.

I think that may all depend on if Lewis doesn't want to spend the next 3 years without a seat for himself.

 

[Altair]

I think that may all depend on if Lewis doesn't want to spend the next 3 years without a seat for himself.

Avi Lewis needs

A) a safe NDP seat to run in, if that even exists anymore

B) all other parties to agree not to run agaisnt him. ( I cannot see the LPC not gunning for more seats)

C)Accept he's not getting into Parliament before 2029.

Because I don't know what would be a great death blow to the NDP than the leader running and failing to get into parliament.

 

[HavokFour]

Avi Lewis needs

A) a safe NDP seat to run in, if that even exists anymore

B) all other parties to agree not to run agaisnt him. ( I cannot see the LPC not gunning for more seats)

C)Accept he's not getting into Parliament before 2029.

Because I don't know what would be a great death blow to the NDP than the leader running and failing to get into parliament.

Well, he's already 0-2 when it comes to getting elected before he became NDP leader.

 

[Altair]

Well, he's already 0-2 when it comes to getting elected before he became NDP leader.

3rd time is the charm?

Heather McPherson would have been such a better choice. She's already in parliament and supports pipelines. Would have gone a long way to getting the NDP fighting for those blue collar votes again.

Instead they get the radical who has no way to get into parliament, so all he can do is the news circuit until the MSM gets bored of him.

 

[brihard]

I think this stops the bleeding for the NDP, depending on how angry Heather McPherson is.

But ya, rump party status.

I mean, exsanguination does eventually stop bleeding…

 

[Altair]

I mean, exsanguination does eventually stop bleeding…

lol

In all seriousness, unless the NDP turns thing around by 2029, that might be what kills off the party.

Canada turns into a 2 1/2 party state.

Which is all sorts of bad.

One, the CPC might struggle if all the center and left vote is concentrated in the LPC.

Two, as we see in the USA, political polarization when there are only 2 parties gets toxic real fast.

And as much as I have a problem with the current version of the CPC I don't want them shut out of governance because of the 60/40 split. That's not going to be healthy.

 

[ArmyRick]

lol

In all seriousness, unless the NDP turns thing around by 2029, that might be what kills off the party.

Canada turns into a 2 1/2 party state.

Which is all sorts of bad.

One, the CPC might struggle if all the center and left vote is concentrated in the LPC.

Two, as we see in the USA, political polarization when there are only 2 parties gets toxic real fast.

And as much as I have a problem with the current version of the CPC I don't want them shut out of governance because of the 60/40 split. That's not going to be healthy.

Your forgetting the Bloc can shrink or grow massively, usually depending on the government of the day.

If the LPC do something that Quebec is not happy with, watch the Bloc grow.

Terrebonne was interesting, once again neck in neck race.

 

[Altair]

Your forgetting the Bloc can shrink or grow massively, usually depending on the government of the day.

If the LPC do something that Quebec is not happy with, watch the Bloc grow.

Terrebonne was interesting, once again neck in neck race.

they are the 1/2 in the 2 1/2