Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

[Altair]

Well, he's already 0-2 when it comes to getting elected before he became NDP leader.

3rd time is the charm?

Heather McPherson would have been such a better choice. She's already in parliament and supports pipelines. Would have gone a long way to getting the NDP fighting for those blue collar votes again.

Instead they get the radical who has no way to get into parliament, so all he can do is the news circuit until the MSM gets bored of him.

 

[brihard]

I think this stops the bleeding for the NDP, depending on how angry Heather McPherson is.

But ya, rump party status.

I mean, exsanguination does eventually stop bleeding…

 

[Altair]

I mean, exsanguination does eventually stop bleeding…

lol

In all seriousness, unless the NDP turns thing around by 2029, that might be what kills off the party.

Canada turns into a 2 1/2 party state.

Which is all sorts of bad.

One, the CPC might struggle if all the center and left vote is concentrated in the LPC.

Two, as we see in the USA, political polarization when there are only 2 parties gets toxic real fast.

And as much as I have a problem with the current version of the CPC I don't want them shut out of governance because of the 60/40 split. That's not going to be healthy.

 

[ArmyRick]

lol

In all seriousness, unless the NDP turns thing around by 2029, that might be what kills off the party.

Canada turns into a 2 1/2 party state.

Which is all sorts of bad.

One, the CPC might struggle if all the center and left vote is concentrated in the LPC.

Two, as we see in the USA, political polarization when there are only 2 parties gets toxic real fast.

And as much as I have a problem with the current version of the CPC I don't want them shut out of governance because of the 60/40 split. That's not going to be healthy.

Your forgetting the Bloc can shrink or grow massively, usually depending on the government of the day.

If the LPC do something that Quebec is not happy with, watch the Bloc grow.

Terrebonne was interesting, once again neck in neck race.

 

[Altair]

Your forgetting the Bloc can shrink or grow massively, usually depending on the government of the day.

If the LPC do something that Quebec is not happy with, watch the Bloc grow.

Terrebonne was interesting, once again neck in neck race.

they are the 1/2 in the 2 1/2

 

[ArmyRick]

they are the 1/2 in the 2 1/2

They once had 54 seats in parliament, so that gets way past the .5 and becomes a legit third party or opposition

 

[Altair]

They once had 54 seats in parliament, so that gets way past the .5 and becomes a legit third party or opposition

Maybe?

I suppose?

I can only give so much personal weight to a party that only runs in one province, doesn't care about the rest of the nation outside that province and can win a maximum of 78 seats out of 343

 

[Brad Sallows]

One, the CPC might struggle if all the center and left vote is concentrated in the LPC.

I don't share that worry. If the progressive left in Canada really has nowhere to go except the LPC, I expect them to pull the LPC left the same way the progressive left has pulled the Democratic party left in the US. Much of the former centre will slip over to the CPC. The LPC will become less moderate, and the CPC more so.

 

[Altair]

I don't share that worry. If the progressive left in Canada really has nowhere to go except the LPC, I expect them to pull the LPC left the same way the progressive left has pulled the Democratic party left in the US. Much of the former centre will slip over to the CPC. The LPC will become less moderate, and the CPC more so.

That doesn't happen overnight.

That's sacrificing what, 2029, 2033? We looking at nearly 18 years of LPC rule?

 

[Brad Sallows]

That doesn't happen overnight.

That's sacrificing what, 2029, 2033? We looking at nearly 18 years of LPC rule?

It'd happen pretty quickly once it starts, but it doesn't start until the NDP gives up federally even though it's looking like some NDP voters have already made their moves (leaving what looks like a rump of the most left-leaning people, which is why they chose someone like Lewis). A major reason the progressive left has been able to pull the Democratic party left is because that faction includes a lot of people with platforms: entertainers, academics, media personalities. Most of the people who make the time for a lot of activism and exhortation are still in the NDP. If they move, their influence will be outsize compared to their numbers and they will exercise it immediately, energetically, and frequently.

 

[Good2Golf]

Airbus scandal? Thats a long reach. Mulroney is in the grave.

Only death resolves scandals, got it.

He didn't suggest only one side does bad things...

He asked if we got any closure to any of the scandals that had been ongoing prior to the election.

And your reply didn't answer that question?

The answer is those scandals are not resolved yet. Those involved are still alive.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Scandals are not resolved until you hear the lamentation of their women.

 

[ArmyRick]

Only death resolves scandals, got it

Is that what I said? No its not.

 

[Good2Golf]

Housing- This all takes time. Amazing how poor decisions made decades ago have come to roost and it takes years to correct it.

Especially when one considers who the Minister of Housing was back in the day…

 

[Good2Golf]

Is that what I said? No it’s not.

So the Airbus affair isn’t resolved and remains a stain on the Conservatives?

 

[ArmyRick]

So the Airbus affair isn’t resolved and remains a stain on the Conservatives?

Its a stain. That was technically a different party

Progressive Conservative Party of Canada - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Are you bringing up a 40 year old issue that has not been dealt with by several governments for a reason? I bring up shit from Trudeau's time because like I said many of those MPs are still sitting in the house. Its much more current. Or was this just a "Gotcha" moment?

 

[MilEME09]

It'd happen pretty quickly once it starts, but it doesn't start until the NDP gives up federally even though it's looking like some NDP voters have already made their moves (leaving what looks like a rump of the most left-leaning people, which is why they chose someone like Lewis). A major reason the progressive left has been able to pull the Democratic party left is because that faction includes a lot of people with platforms: entertainers, academics, media personalities. Most of the people who make the time for a lot of activism and exhortation are still in the NDP. If they move, their influence will be outsize compared to their numbers and they will exercise it immediately, energetically, and frequently.

The NDP need to do some soul searching because at current pace, they wont last much longer. They were born as a party to fight for the middle class, now they are the extreme left with their vision that doesnt match canadian reality, or even global reality. The party Jack Layton lead to become official opposition for the first time i history is gone. Unless they do a 180, its not coming back either

 

[RangerRay]

I’m not going to count the NDP out yet, even if they went full lefty.

I can see a lot of the lefties that voted Liberal in 2025 to be quickly disillusioned. The only thing that might stop that is if the Tories go full right.

If the Tories want the NDP to do well, they need to make the lefties comfortable to scratch their ideological itch and abandon the Liberals.