Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

[ArmyRick]

they are the 1/2 in the 2 1/2

They once had 54 seats in parliament, so that gets way past the .5 and becomes a legit third party or opposition

 

[Altair]

They once had 54 seats in parliament, so that gets way past the .5 and becomes a legit third party or opposition

Maybe?

I suppose?

I can only give so much personal weight to a party that only runs in one province, doesn't care about the rest of the nation outside that province and can win a maximum of 78 seats out of 343

 

[Brad Sallows]

One, the CPC might struggle if all the center and left vote is concentrated in the LPC.

I don't share that worry. If the progressive left in Canada really has nowhere to go except the LPC, I expect them to pull the LPC left the same way the progressive left has pulled the Democratic party left in the US. Much of the former centre will slip over to the CPC. The LPC will become less moderate, and the CPC more so.

 

[Altair]

I don't share that worry. If the progressive left in Canada really has nowhere to go except the LPC, I expect them to pull the LPC left the same way the progressive left has pulled the Democratic party left in the US. Much of the former centre will slip over to the CPC. The LPC will become less moderate, and the CPC more so.

That doesn't happen overnight.

That's sacrificing what, 2029, 2033? We looking at nearly 18 years of LPC rule?

 

[Brad Sallows]

That doesn't happen overnight.

That's sacrificing what, 2029, 2033? We looking at nearly 18 years of LPC rule?

It'd happen pretty quickly once it starts, but it doesn't start until the NDP gives up federally even though it's looking like some NDP voters have already made their moves (leaving what looks like a rump of the most left-leaning people, which is why they chose someone like Lewis). A major reason the progressive left has been able to pull the Democratic party left is because that faction includes a lot of people with platforms: entertainers, academics, media personalities. Most of the people who make the time for a lot of activism and exhortation are still in the NDP. If they move, their influence will be outsize compared to their numbers and they will exercise it immediately, energetically, and frequently.

 

[Good2Golf]

Airbus scandal? Thats a long reach. Mulroney is in the grave.

Only death resolves scandals, got it.

He didn't suggest only one side does bad things...

He asked if we got any closure to any of the scandals that had been ongoing prior to the election.

And your reply didn't answer that question?

The answer is those scandals are not resolved yet. Those involved are still alive.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Scandals are not resolved until you hear the lamentation of their women.

 

[ArmyRick]

Only death resolves scandals, got it

Is that what I said? No its not.

 

[Good2Golf]

Housing- This all takes time. Amazing how poor decisions made decades ago have come to roost and it takes years to correct it.

Especially when one considers who the Minister of Housing was back in the day…

 

[Good2Golf]

Is that what I said? No it’s not.

So the Airbus affair isn’t resolved and remains a stain on the Conservatives?

 

[ArmyRick]

So the Airbus affair isn’t resolved and remains a stain on the Conservatives?

Its a stain. That was technically a different party

Progressive Conservative Party of Canada - Wikipedia

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Are you bringing up a 40 year old issue that has not been dealt with by several governments for a reason? I bring up shit from Trudeau's time because like I said many of those MPs are still sitting in the house. Its much more current. Or was this just a "Gotcha" moment?

 

[MilEME09]

It'd happen pretty quickly once it starts, but it doesn't start until the NDP gives up federally even though it's looking like some NDP voters have already made their moves (leaving what looks like a rump of the most left-leaning people, which is why they chose someone like Lewis). A major reason the progressive left has been able to pull the Democratic party left is because that faction includes a lot of people with platforms: entertainers, academics, media personalities. Most of the people who make the time for a lot of activism and exhortation are still in the NDP. If they move, their influence will be outsize compared to their numbers and they will exercise it immediately, energetically, and frequently.

The NDP need to do some soul searching because at current pace, they wont last much longer. They were born as a party to fight for the middle class, now they are the extreme left with their vision that doesnt match canadian reality, or even global reality. The party Jack Layton lead to become official opposition for the first time i history is gone. Unless they do a 180, its not coming back either

 

[RangerRay]

I’m not going to count the NDP out yet, even if they went full lefty.

I can see a lot of the lefties that voted Liberal in 2025 to be quickly disillusioned. The only thing that might stop that is if the Tories go full right.

If the Tories want the NDP to do well, they need to make the lefties comfortable to scratch their ideological itch and abandon the Liberals.

 

[Good2Golf]

Its a stain. That was technically a different party

Progressive Conservative Party of Canada - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Are you bringing up a 40 year old issue that has not been dealt with by several governments for a reason? I bring up shit from Trudeau's time because like I said many of those MPs are still sitting in the house. Its much more current. Or was this just a "Gotcha" moment?

Does time excuse conduct? Are you implying that there is none of the scandal-related mindset of the past PC in today’s CPC organization, that a learning institution would otherwise wish to reflect and improve upon?

While not fully tight with the title of this thread, the following does serve to give at least some of us, a thing to consider as not necessarily unrelated in the Carney=evil theme.

Poilievre, Damien Kurek, who so kindly vacated his seat a few months short of qualifying for a future parliamentarian pension, Candice Bergen, previous CPC leader before Poilievre, Michael Diamond President of the Ontario PC Party and founder of the Company Upstream Strategy that Kurek safely lands in for undisclosed compensation and then months later also gets hire as a lobbied by Valory Resources, an Alberta mining company developing and selling metallurgical coal to China, the board of which is now chaired by previous CPC Leader Candic Bergen and has significant ownership by Canadian Dragon’s Den star Brett Wilson, who was a strong supporter and endorser of Pierre Poilievre. So guy who up and clears his seat for Poilievre gets hired by a company founded by current Ont PC President, then assigned to lobby for Alberta company selling coal to China, that chaired by past CPC leader and co-owned by friend, supporter and endorse of Pierre Poilievre.

Alberta Never 51/Never UCP | Facebook

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As Dr. Evil says…

 

[The Bread Guy]

Meanwhile, NOT a good look ....

Veterans Affairs ending Commissionaires’ $330M federal contracting right

OTTAWA — The largest private sector employer of veterans in Canada is calling on the Liberal government to reverse a decision to end a federal contracting entitlement which grants it first dibs on federal security guard contracts. The Canadian Corps of...

nanaimonewsnow.com

 

[ArmyRick]

Carney=evil theme

Whoever said Carney is evil? Not me. I want all political leaders ACCOUNTABLE and TRANSPARENT and we don't have that at all right now. Not In Carney, not in Ford.

The rest of the stuff you posted, I can't look at the link you posted so i will follow up later to see if there is anything to it. Funny CBC and/or CTV hasn't put this up on a giant billboard if there is any truth to it.

 

[Good2Golf]

Whoever said Carney is evil? Not me. I want all political leaders ACCOUNTABLE and TRANSPARENT and we don't have that at all right now. Not In Carney, not in Ford.

Didn’t say you said Carney was evil? If you personally want to associate with the depth of that sentiment, you can, if not, then you can do that to. My statement was to the overall theme of the opposition to Carney contained in this thread of late.

I agree with you about accountability and transparency. I have stated my concern about Carney’s prior closeness to China, as late as 2023 standing a few people down from Xi in the Bejing Palace, and I remain concerned with such close and personal ties.

The rest of the stuff you posted, I can't look at the link you posted so i will follow up later to see if there is anything to it. Funny CBC and/or CTV hasn't put this up on a giant billboard if there is any truth to it.

I independently fact checked the information presented, and am comfortable with its presentation, though I encourage anyone to check the link analysis themselves, that’s just a good practice where critical thought is concerned.

 

[brihard]

Meanwhile, NOT a good look ....

Veterans Affairs ending Commissionaires’ $330M federal contracting right

OTTAWA — The largest private sector employer of veterans in Canada is calling on the Liberal government to reverse a decision to end a federal contracting entitlement which grants it first dibs on federal security guard contracts. The Canadian Corps of...

nanaimonewsnow.com

What do the Commissionaires’ veteran hiring stats look like these days? Are they still sufficient that they could possibly justify that right of first refusal under the pretext of helping veterans? I’m skeptical that it’s still the case.

 

[daftandbarmy]

What do the Commissionaires’ veteran hiring stats look like these days? Are they still sufficient that they could possibly justify that right of first refusal under the pretext of helping veterans? I’m skeptical that it’s still the case.

I understand they're finding it difficult to hire enough vets who are interested in being Commissionaires... AI summary FYI:

The Commissionaires are struggling to recruit veterans due to a shrinking veteran population, low wage levels, and stiff competition for skilled,, young, or newly released personnel. Despite hiring roughly 1,000 veterans annually, they have failed to meet a 60% veteran-worked hours benchmark for federal contracts since 2013-2014.

Key Factors Affecting Recruitment:

• Declining Demographic: The overall population of veterans eligible for work is decreasing, and the existing veteran workforce at the Commissionaires is aging.
• Low Wage Rates: Government-prescribed wages are often too low to attract veterans, who may find better pay in other sectors.
• Alternative Employment: Younger veterans (35-44) with families often look for higher-paying positions that immediately utilize their high-level skills, leading to competition for their services.
• Geographic Gaps: Veterans are dispersed across the country, making it difficult to fill vacancies in specific regions, which forces the organization to hire non-veterans.
• Changing Needs: Modern veterans have different career aspirations compared to older generations, requiring the Commissionaires to rethink their "one-size-fits-all" approach.

Impact on Operations:

• Contractual Misses: The organization has not met the mandatory 60% veteran employment target for federal contracts since 2013–2014.
• Loss of Privileges: Due to these challenges, the Federal Government is ending the Commissionaires' $330M federal contract (Right of First Refusal) for guarding services.
• Non-Veteran Hiring: To keep up with demand, they have been forced to hire family members and other civilians, reducing the overall percentage of veterans in their workforce to around 42%.

To address these challenges, the Commissionaires are trying to adapt by offering more tailored and flexible roles, particularly for those looking for career growth rather than just temporary or part-time work.

 

[Brad Sallows]

The NDP need to do some soul searching because at current pace, they wont last much longer. They were born as a party to fight for the middle class

I'd say "working class", and by that I mean people who worked long hours, mostly with their hands, often outdoors and in unsafe conditions. People who had pretty much nothing to pass on as an estate unless they died holding deeded property they hadn't already handed over to kids.

The middle class is anathema to socialists. People who stand on their own, enjoying the goods of fortune in moderation, don't need bosses and have no interest in revolutions. They have a solid stake in status quo.