Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

[Jarnhamar]

What are you doing step-brother?



Hafiz wins Scarborough Southwest Liberal nomination despite surfacing of disturbing decade-old posts

 

[ArmyRick]

I might start to regret posting the AI summery of @ArmyRick videos.

Your doing a fine job, young man, keep up the good work!

 

[ArmyRick]

So I will chime in on a kind of this subject, kind of not. Nate Erskine-Smith got f*cked over the Ontario Liberal party nomination for Scarborough. For those not in the know, Nate is currently the Federal Liberal MP for Beaches North York. Normally he grates my nerves but I will admit Carney backstabbed him something good last year.

The Liberals were dying a quick death, Trump and Carney were reviving it, Nate wasn't going to stick around, he did and was made housing minister. Then after the election, got dropped from Liberal cabinet. He is actually smarter than many in cabinet (even if I do not agree with his views on may things).

From what I get, he got shoved out of the nomination race by Navdeep Bains (Former Liberal MP, who is as crooked as they come) backing another candidate and using the local Bengali ethnicity against him. Many of the locals didn't even know who they were voting for but voted for who Navdeep and others told them to.

Great, your local guy can be the hero. Here is the problem, the Ontario Liberals NEED a leader who is smart and can play the left/center-left populace against a losing popularity Doug Ford. Nate can do that a hell of lot better than the dominoes pizza guy they selected as that local candidate.

I know some will say I want Nate to get into provincial politics sop that the LPC loses a seat. Not really my motive, guys. Its Beaches-North York, it will go another Liberal, slim chance an NDP. It will not in this reality be Conservative. I do want to see the Ontario Liberals get stronger, possibly force the Ontario conservatives to get their act together and ideally get rid of Ford.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Navdeep Bains (Former Liberal MP, who is as crooked as they come)

Wasn't he the cabinet minister responsible for telecom policy and regulation who quit politics to go work for the company (Rogers) whom he was supposedly regulating?

 

[brihard]

So I will chime in on a kind of this subject, kind of not. Nate Erskine-Smith got f*cked over the Ontario Liberal party nomination for Scarborough. For those not in the know, Nate is currently the Federal Liberal MP for Beaches North York. Normally he grates my nerves but I will admit Carney backstabbed him something good last year.

The Liberals were dying a quick death, Trump and Carney were reviving it, Nate wasn't going to stick around, he did and was made housing minister. Then after the election, got dropped from Liberal cabinet. He is actually smarter than many in cabinet (even if I do not agree with his views on may things).

From what I get, he got shoved out of the nomination race by Navdeep Bains (Former Liberal MP, who is as crooked as they come) backing another candidate and using the local Bengali ethnicity against him. Many of the locals didn't even know who they were voting for but voted for who Navdeep and others told them to.

Great, your local guy can be the hero. Here is the problem, the Ontario Liberals NEED a leader who is smart and can play the left/center-left populace against a losing popularity Doug Ford. Nate can do that a hell of lot better than the dominoes pizza guy they selected as that local candidate.

I know some will say I want Nate to get into provincial politics sop that the LPC loses a seat. Not really my motive, guys. Its Beaches-North York, it will go another Liberal, slim chance an NDP. It will not in this reality be Conservative. I do want to see the Ontario Liberals get stronger, possibly force the Ontario conservatives to get their act together and ideally get rid of Ford.

I’ll buy that. Thanks for the insight Rick, I’ve not had time to really look into that one.

 

[MilEME09]

Could be the result of positive economic data but the CPC trending around 70 seats is a disaster. If I was Pierre Poilievre's strategist, id be thanking my stars a election cant happen now till 2029.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2053889672762228773

 

[brihard]

Could be the result of positive economic data but the CPC trending around 70 seats is a disaster. If I was Pierre Poilievre's strategist, id be thanking my stars a election cant happen now till 2029.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2053889672762228773

A snap election could happen at any time, so he doesn’t really get that relief. At any point the PM can advise the GG to dissolve Parliament and call an election, subject only to the legally required 37 to 51 day election period.

It’s actually a pleasant surprise that PM Carney has not called one in an effort to get a rock solid majority and reset the four year clock.

 

[MilEME09]

Drone deal about to be signed between Canada and Ukraine. If its production and CAF use, this will be a win win

https://twitter.com/x/status/2053902616086687947

 

[Czech_pivo]

A snap election could happen at any time, so he doesn’t really get that relief. At any point the PM can advise the GG to dissolve Parliament and call an election, subject only to the legally required 37 to 51 day election period.

It’s actually a pleasant surprise that PM Carney has not called one in an effort to get a rock solid majority and reset the four year clock.

Same with the whole Prorogue crap.
It’s a shitty process that should never have started.
Here’s to hoping that Carney never uses it during his tenure.

 

[brihard]

Same with the whole Prorogue crap.
It’s a shitty process that should never have started.
Here’s to hoping that Carney never uses it during his tenure.

Prorogation is a completely normal and legitimate bit of process. Best analogy I’ve got is sometimes you’ve had too many programs and tabs open, and you need to shut down and restart your computer because it’s lagging like a mofo. Prorogation doesn’t dodge Parliamentary confidence; the first thing that happens in a new session of Parliament is a throne speech and a confidence vote.

Early elections are also completely legitimate. It’s only very recently we legislated ‘fixed’ election dates. It’s reasonable, both historically and currently, for a government in changing circumstances to give the electorate the opportunity to confirm or deny a mandate via an election. There would actually be a very compelling case to be made for that right now given the switch to majority by floor crossing - but given how obvious the outcome presently is, I respect and appreciate that the PM is accepting the more fragile bare majority he presently has and is just carrying on with the work to be done rather than seeking a much stronger absolute advantage that he could easily get. If he called an election tomorrow I couldn’t hold it against him.

 

[Altair]

Prorogation is a completely normal and legitimate bit of process. Best analogy I’ve got is sometimes you’ve had too many programs and tabs open, and you need to shut down and restart your computer because it’s lagging like a mofo. Prorogation doesn’t dodge Parliamentary confidence; the first thing that happens in a new session of Parliament is a throne speech and a confidence vote.

Early elections are also completely legitimate. It’s only very recently we legislated ‘fixed’ election dates. It’s reasonable, both historically and currently, for a government in changing circumstances to give the electorate the opportunity to confirm or deny a mandate via an election. There would actually be a very compelling case to be made for that right now given the switch to majority by floor crossing - but given how obvious the outcome presently is, I respect and appreciate that the PM is accepting the more fragile bare majority he presently has and is just carrying on with the work to be done rather than seeking a much stronger absolute advantage that he could easily get. If he called an election tomorrow I couldn’t hold it against him.

Assuming the polls hold, there is no way he doesn't call it by spring 2028.

 

[ArmyRick]

Assuming the polls hold, there is no way he doesn't call it by spring 2028.

Yup. Especially since he will lose an MP here and there for various reasons

 

[MilEME09]

Assuming the polls hold, there is no way he doesn't call it by spring 2028.

Yeah but if he does, at the bare min he wants results he can campaign on not hopes and dream

 

[The Bread Guy]

Drone deal about to be signed between Canada and Ukraine. If its production and CAF use, this will be a win win

https://twitter.com/x/status/2053902616086687947

More on that from CAN & UKR media ...

Zelenskyy says Ukraine working on military ‘drone deal’ with Canada - National | Globalnews.ca

Ukraine has talked about signing export deals with other countries to supply them with the advanced drone technology it has refined since Russia launched its full-scale invasion.

globalnews.ca

Ukraine begins preparing Drone Deal with Canada – Zelenskyy

Ukraine has begun preparing an agreement under Drone Deal with Canada, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has said.

en.interfax.com.ua

Already 20 countries are working with Ukraine on Drone Deals, preparations for an agreement with Canada are beginning - Zelenskyy | УНН

УНН War in Ukraine ✎ Ukraine has begun preparing a Drone Deal with Canada to expand defense cooperation.

unn.ua

... and this excerpt from the UKR Prez's info-machine (highlights mine):

 

[Altair]

More on that from CAN & UKR media ...

Zelenskyy says Ukraine working on military ‘drone deal’ with Canada - National | Globalnews.ca

Ukraine has talked about signing export deals with other countries to supply them with the advanced drone technology it has refined since Russia launched its full-scale invasion.

globalnews.ca

Ukraine begins preparing Drone Deal with Canada – Zelenskyy

Ukraine has begun preparing an agreement under Drone Deal with Canada, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has said.

en.interfax.com.ua

Already 20 countries are working with Ukraine on Drone Deals, preparations for an agreement with Canada are beginning - Zelenskyy | УНН

УНН War in Ukraine ✎ Ukraine has begun preparing a Drone Deal with Canada to expand defense cooperation.

unn.ua

... and this excerpt from the UKR Prez's info-machine (highlights mine):
View attachment 100284

One for us, one for ukraine, lets make 8 million a year.

 

[HavokFour]

PM Carney to announce national electricity strategy Thursday: sources

Mark Carney is set to announce the federal government’s long-delayed clean electricity strategy on Thursday, according to senior federal sources.

www.ctvnews.ca

Bring on the reactors.

And even more ideally, enriching fuel domestically.

 

[Furniture]

A snap election could happen at any time, so he doesn’t really get that relief. At any point the PM can advise the GG to dissolve Parliament and call an election, subject only to the legally required 37 to 51 day election period.

It’s actually a pleasant surprise that PM Carney has not called one in an effort to get a rock solid majority and reset the four year clock.

PMMC is too smart to waste his momentum and opportunity on a silly game like that. The CPC are going to keep his government trucking along even if he didn't have a majority.

If you're surprised by him acting this way, I suspect you're far more of a partisan hack than you admit to being on this site. The only people wishing for an election after the last one are diehard LPC supporters and wack-job CPC supporters who don't trust polls.

 

[brihard]

PMMC is too smart to waste his momentum and opportunity on a silly game like that. The CPC are going to keep his government trucking along even if he didn't have a majority.

Silly game? He has a razor thin majority, very subject to any number of things that can shave it. He’s also subject to having to manage his own caucus and keep any dissenters in line. He’s inherited and is trying to bend to his own will a party that’s been governing for a decade; he’s disrupting its own entrenched power dynamics and factions and aiming to supplant them with his own. Wanting to potentially nip that would not be a ‘silly game’. Nor would be silencing all the dumb voices about a ‘false majority’ or what have you.

I agree with his course of action. I’m pleasantly surprised that he didn’t bend more than he has to the politically rational advice of the many people surrounding him, many of whom I’m sure have urged him to consider it. Calling an election to reaffirm his mandate would have been rational and defensible.

If you're surprised by him acting this way, I suspect you're far more of a partisan hack than you admit to being on this site. The only people wishing for an election after the last one are diehard LPC supporters and wack-job CPC supporters who don't trust polls.

Why are you making this personal? I have no party affiliation. My voting record supports that. Had JT remained in charge of the Liberals I was happy to help change that diaper.

I’m not one of those wishing for an election, I’ve simply outlined a number of reasons that it would have been a (not the only) reasonable course of action in his shoes. Taking a shot at me as a ‘partisan hack’ is uncalled for and frankly should be beneath you.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Nor would be silencing all the dumb voices about a ‘false majority’ or what have you.

We prefer back door majority.

It's just business acumen. He knew he could make some easy acquisitions and skip the effort (and stigma) of a $600 million plus election.

Benefit of an election now would be testing the support for all the floor crossers in real time.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Silly game? He has a razor thin majority, very subject to any number of things that can shave it. He’s also subject to having to manage his own caucus and keep any dissenters in line. He’s inherited and is trying to bend to his own will a party that’s been governing for a decade; he’s disrupting its own entrenched power dynamics and factions and aiming to supplant them with his own. Wanting to potentially nip that would not be a ‘silly game’. Nor would be silencing all the dumb voices about a ‘false majority’ or what have you.

I agree with his course of action. I’m pleasantly surprised that he didn’t bend more than he has to the politically rational advice of the many people surrounding him, many of whom I’m sure have urged him to consider it. Calling an election to reaffirm his mandate would have been rational and defensible.



Why are you making this personal? I have no party affiliation. My voting record supports that. Had JT remained in charge of the Liberals I was happy to help change that diaper.

I’m not one of those wishing for an election, I’ve simply outlined a number of reasons that it would have been a (not the only) reasonable course of action in his shoes. Taking a shot at me as a ‘partisan hack’ is uncalled for and frankly should be beneath you.

Ugh I want to stay away from this thread...

I see this more as more Carney kneeling on the neck of the CPC. He knows they have to prop him up. So make them be a flaccid phallus opposition.

Loosing massively would be amazing for the CPC. It would reset them. Carney doesn't want that.

Its a power play. A simple out right political power play. Its twisting the bayonet.