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What a crock.
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Halifax Tar
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Is that the bill to keep social media from those under 16 ?
No he’s not. This has been covered in the ‘exploiting/radicalizing youth’ thread.
Newish (at least to me) and odd group out there, cranking out pams, it seems - more from New Jersey's Homeland Security folks ....
More here and also attached as PDF if link doesn't work.
More here and also attached as PDF if link doesn't work.
I won’t speak to the merits of the pending Digital Safety Act bill because it’s not yet tabled for us to look at. But I do know that at least in part it’s to be aimed squarely at online predation of youths - much of it very deliberate and some actually crossing into listed terrorism entities - that has cost a number of lives through suicide.
Obviously this isn’t something that will be meaningfully discussed in the length of a media sound bite, and without seeing what’s actually out forward in Parliament it’s tough to assess. We may see the under-16 social media restrictions, and probably some components of the former Bill C-63 Online Harms Act.
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The legislation is aimed at that, I think it's separate from the actual online harms act bill.
The first thing I noticed is "there will be exceptions", so we'll see how effective it actually is.
One concern people have is the Liberal government using this as a cover to push ID verification for adults.
Australia has an under 16 ban (where the platforms are held accountable) and they do it without strict ID verification. It also sounds like the majority of kids can circumvent the age verification anyways and it's not very effective.
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While I personally think this legislation is useless, drinking ages exist in this country despite there being multiple ways to circumvent it.
Just because something can be circumvented does not inherently make it not worthwhile to do.
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Would you be comfortable sending the mods a copy of your government ID to post here?
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VPNs exist for a reason. Canada? Nah mate, i live in Mexico, rules dont apply.
Buy even then, as more and more sites do this, the pattern has been clear. They do this for new accounts, not older ones. They also flag accounts that are exhibiting signs of being under the age threshold.
Discord is implementing age controls. 90 percent of users wont need to show any government ID because of their preexisting account behaviour.
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Sounds like more and more VPN companies are gearing up to abandon Canada if the government goes through with Bill C-22.
Major VPN provider says it could leave Canada over lawful access bill
Virtual private network service NordVPN says it could pull out of Canada over the federal government’s proposed lawful access bill.
www.ctvnews.ca
It's also all too easy for websites to deny access to users using VPN's.
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things to navigate for sure, but I'll save my indignation for when I see the text of the bill.Sounds like more and more VPN companies are gearing up to abandon Canada if the government goes through with Bill C-22.
Major VPN provider says it could leave Canada over lawful access bill
Virtual private network service NordVPN says it could pull out of Canada over the federal government’s proposed lawful access bill.
It's also all too easy for websites to deny access to users using VPN's.
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I like the premise of keeping social media away from kids under 16, especially with the abundance of disconnected parents we have.
The LPC is hardly deserving of Canadians trust after the last 11 years however. The urgency they're trying to push bill C-22 through with should give anyone for concern. The lack of trust carries over to the under 16 legislation.
When I can't figure out something on my computer I ask my grandkids. Even the 9 year old is able to help grandpa so I doubt short of developing foolproof digital id they will be able to keep any teen that wants on them away from the web sites. I wish it were otherwise
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No offence intended but the parents at this point (mainly millennials) are the most digitally literate generation we have. Most children and teens aren’t nearly as literate on computers (computer literacy is actually measured as going down because schools stopped teaching it and smartphones/tablets are app based instead of showing the details behind it all).
What matters more is having parents who care to actually parent their children. The tools needed to control it are all there, unfortunately most are too busy or not interested in policing their childrens behaviour. There is a reason they are called the ‘Ipad kids’ because it is easy to stick them infront of it and let them rot their brains out instead of actually raising them.
Something does need to be done, the question is what and how extreme does it need to be. A good start would be banning all smartphones and tablets from school.
Numerous studies have shown a drop in education once those were introduced. It also kills socialization, feeds addiction (and yes we are all addicted to tech, at least the adults got a start in life without the more addictive than gambling technology in their faces 24/7), and drops literacy.
We are raising a bunch of useless addicted young adults who are going to fail in the real world and the first of them are starting to hit the workforce and fail there. Drastic changes need to happen before more and more get dragged into this. It is likely too late for many, the only hope is saving the next batch.
Personally as much as I am a big fan of freedom of speech, I think it actually might be best to go too far to start with, we don’t have time to fine tune it to begin with due to how long this has been allowed to go on for.
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Sadly, and reality, is that there will always be ways to circumvent a rule.
How many of us had 'fake id's when we were 17/18yrs old so that we could go to the bars before we turned of age? How many of us have kids that have fake id or had fake id in order to do the same thing?
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We've recently had a state of the family address about social media and device usage. I was fed up and said things need to change or the devices all become targets for me at the range.
And my daughter actually agreed it's too much and agrees with cutting back drastically. She's just turned 13.
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When my kids were younger had a device called - Circle - that we used to control/monitor their internet access. It's a great device and does a solid job on restricting access to sites/apps and for access to the internet. If her device(s) doesn't have a 'data package' but only wifi, this tool could be used to device usage and such.
It's simple to use/set up and a min. cost. I've included a link below.
Parental Wi-Fi Control Device & App for Families
The Circle Home Plus device for routers provides parental Wi-Fi control for all devices, plus you can manage mobile devices away from your home network.
meetcircle.com
no argument. There will be some group though that takes any legislation to court to defend the kids inherent rights. Perhaps a delve into those people might reveal the 'brains' behind those websites.
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Most access control devices are easily hacked by motivated folks... Like 13 year olds whose access to Minecraft is being unreasonably restricted.
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In 1820 we took children out of the coal mines. In 2020, the most popular video game on the market is Minecraft. The children yearn for the mines.
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Which begs the question is this legislation in good faith or a Trojan horse.
When my kids were younger had a device called - Circle - that we used to control/monitor their internet access. It's a great device and does a solid job on restricting access to sites/apps and for access to the internet. If her device(s) doesn't have a 'data package' but only wifi, this tool could be used to device usage and such.
It's simple to use/set up and a min. cost. I've included a link below.
Parental Wi-Fi Control Device & App for Families
The Circle Home Plus device for routers provides parental Wi-Fi control for all devices, plus you can manage mobile devices away from your home network.
We use Life360.
Few years back my preteen daughter had some creep ask her for pictures of her feet. Mrs Jarnhammer caught it on some monitoring program we had installed. Her panicked response was to physiclaly rip the internet router out if the wall. I recall almost suggesting she could have just turned the router off instead, but kept that unhelpful advice to myself.
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