Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

[MilEME09]

Free trade with the EU, sure.

But nothing else, thank you.

Disagree, my company would benefit heavily from work visas being not needed to finally expand our European operations

 

[Cloud Cover]

The EU negotiates trade deals as a bloc, members can't sign their own.

Each current member country of the EU became a member through a national referendum. Mark Carney will try to go around that because we are in a Confederation and Provinces have a say in any possible change to the Constitution Act if becoming an associate EU member in any way impinges on Provincial authority.
If he’s thinking he can bully most provinces he probably right, but there’s a formula and a process for change and you can bet that might take years.

 

[Halifax Tar]

…or maybe Carney pulls a ‘Blue Swan’ event, calls an election, racks up an epic majority Doug Ford style, and gets another 4-5 years or solid majority rule. PP hangs on for the battle in 2031.

If PP actually managed to hang on after the ass whooping he'd get from an election now then the right in Canada is officially dead.

Well I know that Carney didn’t have anything to do with my hard times at the pump today. Diesel in Ottawa today was 274.9 today, twice what it was since February when Trump kicked off OP FIX-UP FAILURE OF MIDNIGHT HAMMER LAST YEAR…

 

[Cloud Cover]

Disagree, my company would benefit heavily from work visas being not needed to finally expand our European operations

Nothing is stopping your company right now from easily obtaining work visas in Europe by following a long standing and very workable practice. I did this for our company all the time and it was never a problem. But that’s not the main issue, nor is even conventional European immigration if done properly and transparently.
It’s the unwanted and unusable migrant hordes of many millions who have crossed into Europe suddenly flowing to Canada that will be the main problem, and you can bet no serious and intellectually cognizant American President wants that on his border, let alone the guy that’s in the office right now.

If PP actually managed to hang on after the ass whooping he'd get from an election now then the right in Canada is officially dead.

It’s dead.

 

[QV]

Free trade with the EU, sure.

But nothing else, thank you.

Since CETA was already that, what else could any form of membership mean?

 

[YZT580]

Well because no one can define what an ‘associate member’ is yet to start with.

I fully get the ‘black swan’ planning but there would be zero chance that the Canadian public would sign up for something like that.

since when does the Canadian public get to sign on to anything? We are told a suitable lie instead until it is too late. That is why and how we are in this immigration mess in the first place. I side with Jarnhamsr on this one

 

[Czech_pivo]

Disagree, my company would benefit heavily from work visas being not needed to finally expand our European operations

And I think that the CDN students having access to ERASMUS would be a great opportunity for them.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

Every single thing posted about this so far is pure conjecture, much of it disingenuous. We have no clue what the deliberate vague term associate member even means.

There is exactly zero chance that Canada will become a full member. The process is long and the pipeline is already full of other countries going through the process of becoming members. Moreover, the EU "constitution" would have to be amended to allow any non-European nation to apply for membership - and consent to amend must be unanimously approved by each of the 27 member countries.

 

[brihard]

Every single thing posted about this so far is pure conjecture, much of it disingenuous. We have no clue what the deliberate vague term associate member even means.

There is exactly zero chance that Canada will become a full member. The process is long and the pipeline is already full of other countries going through the process of becoming members. Moreover, the EU "constitution" would have to be amended to allow any non-European nation to apply for membership - and consent to amend must be unanimously approved by each of the 27 member countries.

 

[ArmyRick]

Every single thing posted about this so far is pure conjecture, much of it disingenuous. We have no clue what the deliberate vague term associate member even means.

Spot on. I want to see the fine print before I decide if this is good/bad/indifferent

 

[Czech_pivo]

Spot on. I want to see the fine print before I decide if this is good/bad/indifferent

Agreed - face value, sounds promising. In the end it really could end up being all hat and no cattle.

 

[Furniture]

Agreed - face value, sounds promising. In the end it really could end up being all hat and no cattle.

Even if it leads to no new major agreements with the EU, it sends a signal to EU member states that this government is serious about doing business with them.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Even if it leads to no new major agreements with the EU, it sends a signal to EU member states that this government is serious about doing business with them.

What's interesting is that right off the bat the Australians were like, 'Hold on their Mate, we may want to be involved in this too.'

Australia, one of the few countries that had a trade DEFICIT with the US but still had a 12.5% tariff rate slapped on all their goods.

 

[MilEME09]

Even if it leads to no new major agreements with the EU, it sends a signal to EU member states that this government is serious about doing business with them.

Devil will be in the details once any agreement goes to parliament for ratification. If we can make it for European companies to set up shop here, all the better, especially combined with the new tax announcements and defense investment bank. We could became the safe backyard to produce munitions etc

 

[Jarnhamar]

Devil will be in the details once any agreement goes to parliament for ratification.

The one thing we can be absolutely sure of is that any debate in parliament will have full transparency and full public view. Debates certainly won't be moved In Camera.

 

[Czech_pivo]

The one thing we can be absolutely sure of is that any debate in parliament will have full transparency and full public view. Debates certainly won't be moved In Camera.

Are you the guy at the campfire that secretly sprays gasoline on the fire from time to time when no one's looking?

 

[MilEME09]

The one thing we can be absolutely sure of is that any debate in parliament will have full transparency and full public view. Debates certainly won't be moved In Camera.

Either way the full text of the bill will be public. For all to judge, realistically not many watch CPAC anyway and get their highlights on the 6 o clock news

 

[Czech_pivo]

Either way the full text of the bill will be public. For all to judge, realistically not many watch CPAC anyway and get their highlights on the 6 o clock news

or the CBC or CTV or Rebel News or Joey at Tim Hortons over a Saturday morning coffee, pick your poison.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Are you the guy at the campfire that secretly sprays gasoline on the fire from time to time when no one's looking?

It's funnier to do it with people watching.

Either way the full text of the bill will be public. For all to judge, realistically not many watch CPAC anyway and get their highlights on the 6 o clock news

The issue is whether Canadians get to see the parliamentary scrutiny and debate that leads to the decision.

Carney says this EU arrangement will go through Parliament and that it will all roll out transparently. If parts of the debate are moved In Camera Canadians can read the finished agreement without being able to hear the arguments, objections, questions and government responses that shaped it. Pretty important stuff.

not many people watch CPAC isn't really an argument against transparency.

 

[QV]

Every single thing posted about this so far is pure conjecture, much of it disingenuous. We have no clue what the deliberate vague term associate member even means.

There is exactly zero chance that Canada will become a full member. The process is long and the pipeline is already full of other countries going through the process of becoming members. Moreover, the EU "constitution" would have to be amended to allow any non-European nation to apply for membership - and consent to amend must be unanimously approved by each of the 27 member countries.

In the absence of detail (or truth), we can speculate what associate member means.

Norway is not a full member but has had to give up some of it's sovereignty for the access it now has. Such as:

• The Four Freedoms: Norway permits the free movement of goods, services, capital, and people across its borders.
• EU Law Adoption: Norway must adopt thousands of EU rules and laws. These laws cover the workplace, consumer safety, and the environment.
• Financial Payments: Norway pays money into the EU budget to support poorer European regions.
• Regulatory Compliance: Norway follows EU climate and energy regulations without having a vote or a direct voice in EU institutions.

Do you see Canada getting a special better deal than these countries?

Such a bad idea.