Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

[Czech_pivo]

Disagree, my company would benefit heavily from work visas being not needed to finally expand our European operations

And I think that the CDN students having access to ERASMUS would be a great opportunity for them.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

Every single thing posted about this so far is pure conjecture, much of it disingenuous. We have no clue what the deliberate vague term associate member even means.

There is exactly zero chance that Canada will become a full member. The process is long and the pipeline is already full of other countries going through the process of becoming members. Moreover, the EU "constitution" would have to be amended to allow any non-European nation to apply for membership - and consent to amend must be unanimously approved by each of the 27 member countries.

 

[brihard]

Every single thing posted about this so far is pure conjecture, much of it disingenuous. We have no clue what the deliberate vague term associate member even means.

There is exactly zero chance that Canada will become a full member. The process is long and the pipeline is already full of other countries going through the process of becoming members. Moreover, the EU "constitution" would have to be amended to allow any non-European nation to apply for membership - and consent to amend must be unanimously approved by each of the 27 member countries.

 

[ArmyRick]

Every single thing posted about this so far is pure conjecture, much of it disingenuous. We have no clue what the deliberate vague term associate member even means.

Spot on. I want to see the fine print before I decide if this is good/bad/indifferent

 

[Czech_pivo]

Spot on. I want to see the fine print before I decide if this is good/bad/indifferent

Agreed - face value, sounds promising. In the end it really could end up being all hat and no cattle.

 

[Furniture]

Agreed - face value, sounds promising. In the end it really could end up being all hat and no cattle.

Even if it leads to no new major agreements with the EU, it sends a signal to EU member states that this government is serious about doing business with them.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Even if it leads to no new major agreements with the EU, it sends a signal to EU member states that this government is serious about doing business with them.

What's interesting is that right off the bat the Australians were like, 'Hold on their Mate, we may want to be involved in this too.'

Australia, one of the few countries that had a trade DEFICIT with the US but still had a 12.5% tariff rate slapped on all their goods.

 

[MilEME09]

Even if it leads to no new major agreements with the EU, it sends a signal to EU member states that this government is serious about doing business with them.

Devil will be in the details once any agreement goes to parliament for ratification. If we can make it for European companies to set up shop here, all the better, especially combined with the new tax announcements and defense investment bank. We could became the safe backyard to produce munitions etc

 

[Jarnhamar]

Devil will be in the details once any agreement goes to parliament for ratification.

The one thing we can be absolutely sure of is that any debate in parliament will have full transparency and full public view. Debates certainly won't be moved In Camera.

 

[Czech_pivo]

The one thing we can be absolutely sure of is that any debate in parliament will have full transparency and full public view. Debates certainly won't be moved In Camera.

Are you the guy at the campfire that secretly sprays gasoline on the fire from time to time when no one's looking?

 

[MilEME09]

The one thing we can be absolutely sure of is that any debate in parliament will have full transparency and full public view. Debates certainly won't be moved In Camera.

Either way the full text of the bill will be public. For all to judge, realistically not many watch CPAC anyway and get their highlights on the 6 o clock news

 

[Czech_pivo]

Either way the full text of the bill will be public. For all to judge, realistically not many watch CPAC anyway and get their highlights on the 6 o clock news

or the CBC or CTV or Rebel News or Joey at Tim Hortons over a Saturday morning coffee, pick your poison.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Are you the guy at the campfire that secretly sprays gasoline on the fire from time to time when no one's looking?

It's funnier to do it with people watching.

Either way the full text of the bill will be public. For all to judge, realistically not many watch CPAC anyway and get their highlights on the 6 o clock news

The issue is whether Canadians get to see the parliamentary scrutiny and debate that leads to the decision.

Carney says this EU arrangement will go through Parliament and that it will all roll out transparently. If parts of the debate are moved In Camera Canadians can read the finished agreement without being able to hear the arguments, objections, questions and government responses that shaped it. Pretty important stuff.

not many people watch CPAC isn't really an argument against transparency.

 

[QV]

Every single thing posted about this so far is pure conjecture, much of it disingenuous. We have no clue what the deliberate vague term associate member even means.

There is exactly zero chance that Canada will become a full member. The process is long and the pipeline is already full of other countries going through the process of becoming members. Moreover, the EU "constitution" would have to be amended to allow any non-European nation to apply for membership - and consent to amend must be unanimously approved by each of the 27 member countries.

In the absence of detail (or truth), we can speculate what associate member means.

Norway is not a full member but has had to give up some of it's sovereignty for the access it now has. Such as:

• The Four Freedoms: Norway permits the free movement of goods, services, capital, and people across its borders.
• EU Law Adoption: Norway must adopt thousands of EU rules and laws. These laws cover the workplace, consumer safety, and the environment.
• Financial Payments: Norway pays money into the EU budget to support poorer European regions.
• Regulatory Compliance: Norway follows EU climate and energy regulations without having a vote or a direct voice in EU institutions.

Do you see Canada getting a special better deal than these countries?

Such a bad idea.

 

[Czech_pivo]

It's funnier to do it with people watching.

LOL.

 

[MilEME09]

Do you see Canada getting a special better deal than these countries?

Such a bad idea.

We haven't seen any deal yet, its premature to scream we are losing sovereignty over this

It's funnier to do it with people watching.


The issue is whether Canadians get to see the parliamentary scrutiny and debate that leads to the decision.

Carney says this EU arrangement will go through Parliament and that it will all roll out transparently. If parts of the debate are moved In Camera Canadians can read the finished agreement without being able to hear the arguments, objections, questions and government responses that shaped it. Pretty important stuff.

not many people watch CPAC isn't really an argument against transparency.

wasn't trying to make that argument, i was merely pointing out even if transparent, most canadians wont notice. Many critics will also use Canadians lack of paying attention to sow misinformation as well

 

[PPCLI Guy]

In the absence of detail (or truth), we can speculate what associate member means.

Norway is not a full member but has had to give up some of it's sovereignty for the access it now has. Such as:

• The Four Freedoms: Norway permits the free movement of goods, services, capital, and people across its borders.
• EU Law Adoption: Norway must adopt thousands of EU rules and laws. These laws cover the workplace, consumer safety, and the environment.
• Financial Payments: Norway pays money into the EU budget to support poorer European regions.
• Regulatory Compliance: Norway follows EU climate and energy regulations without having a vote or a direct voice in EU institutions.

Do you see Canada getting a special better deal than these countries?

Such a bad idea.

Good. You have saved time. You have declared it a bad deal before seeing it. Makes sense. Avoids any pesky requirement to judge the thing on its actual merits.. Way better to go just with feels, and not let facts get in the way.

I will continue to wait to see the thing before I judge it, as I do in every aspect of my life.

But you do you.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Do you see Canada getting a special better deal than these countries?

I think a number of Canadians are expecting Canada to get a sweetheart deal meanwhile not facing the disadvantages, or assuming they'll be minor.

The rules Norway signed onto aren't particularly appealing. Sounds like some of what Trump was trying to squeeze us into.

wasn't trying to make that argument, i was merely pointing out even if transparent, most canadians wont notice. Many critics will also use Canadians lack of paying attention to sow misinformation as well

Ah, sorry. It's bad enough the LPC can approve something like this regardless what happens at any parliament debate, it would be great if we atleast get an accounting of it.

 

[MilEME09]

Ah, sorry. It's bad enough the LPC can approve something like this regardless what happens at any parliament debate, it would be great if we atleast get an accounting of it.

bit of a jump to call it approval, its a proposal, but politicians, just like your platoon commander giving orders, like to talk in definites.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Fixed facilities deter competition - you're not going to easily compete with YYC by building your own airport in Airdrie.

Privatizing natural monopolies and expecting good behaviour on their part; what could possibly go wrong?

A decades-long general observation: when corporations screw up, politicians are quick to bring them (and individuals within, if any can be pegged) to account. Politicians are much less quick to bring accountability to either themselves or public services.

I conclude that it is preferable (possibly vital to public interests) to have private entities doing things at arm's length from the enforcement power than to have the enforcement power and the entities effectively under control of the same people.