Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

[Good2Golf]

If were already there with NATO why do we need JEF too ?

Why have NORAD as well? Or FVEYs?

 

[Czech_pivo]

If were already there with NATO why do we need JEF too ?

I would say then, Why did the UK create JEF then?

 

[PPCLI Guy]

I would imagine that the JEF will be much akin to the AMF(L) or ARRC committments, which we have made in the past. Both provided a mission thread and theatre to focus training and commitments. I was part of AMF(L) in 3 VP, and part of the Lead Mechanised Battlegroup of the ARRC in 1 RGJ. 1st Can Div HQ frequently trained with the ARRC.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

I would say then, Why did the UK create JEF then?

Because after Brexit, they were no longer welcome in EU formations such as the EuroCorps. This gets them bacj in the "Defence of the EU" game, and tied to a specific strategic problem

 

[Czech_pivo]

Because after Brexit, they were no longer welcome in EU formations such as the EuroCorps. This gets them bacj in the "Defence of the EU" game, and tied to a specific strategic problem

But because NATO get them all except Eurocorps?

 

[PPCLI Guy]

NATO means US leadership. The JEF is under Brit leadership, comprised of European TCNs.

The Brits are being spurned by the US, and is no longer part of the EU. They have lost a lot of relevance for a P5 Nation.....whose nuclear capability is subject to US control.

So they have to decide if they want to be part of a branch plant with no real say, or build their own company?

 

[Czech_pivo]

NATO means US leadership. The JEF is under Brit leadership, comprised of European TCNs.

The Brits are being spurned by the US, and is no longer part of the EU. They have lost a lot of relevance for a P5 Nation.....whose nuclear capability is subject to US control.

So they have to decide if they want to be part of a branch plant with no real say, or build their own company?

Maybe they are looking g for a new best friend or two?

 

[Furniture]

If were already there with NATO why do we need JEF too ?

Well, one of the things you learn in Ottawa is that NATO is very limiting in what can be done in it's framework. For example, if we want weather products from our NATO allies, we need to be on a NATO operation. A Canadian ship sailing around Europe can't just get access to NATO weather services, unless it is chopped into a NATO TG. So we have agreements with the UK and Germany to share weather data.

If we are that difficult about weather, we are even more difficult on other topics. That's why JEF, NORAD, etc., exist.

 

[dapaterson]

Well, one of the things you learn in Ottawa is that NATO is very limiting in what can be done in it's framework. For example, if we want weather products from our NATO allies, we need to be on a NATO operation. A Canadian ship sailing around Europe can't just get access to NATO weather services, unless it is chopped into a NATO TG. So we have agreements with the UK and Germany to share weather data.

If we are that difficult about weather, we are even more difficult on other topics. That's why JEF, NORAD, etc., exist.

An organisation dominated by Europeans is heavily bureaucratic?

 

[daftandbarmy]

An organisation dominated by Europeans is heavily bureaucratic?

Ironically, so bureaucratic that the country who invented the term 'red tape' found it all too onerous and left in a huff...

 

[PPCLI Guy]

Ironically, so bureaucratic that the country who invented the term 'red tape' found it all too onerous and left in a huff...

If by huff you mean delusional mass psychosis responding to a question that didn't need to be asked, without bothering to understand any element of the problem, then huff it is.

Otherwise, they are sitting in a hole they dug nursing the foot they shot.