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Well a timely video and good on all involved.
Multi Role Boats (and other small boats thread).
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FJAG
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Seriously?
I mean if the RCN wants to form Marines then fill your boots. I'm not carrying water for the infantry or recce folks. But seriously, there's a certain amount of skill in doing dismounted patrols and fighting if need be. It's a skill set that I don't expect the average sailor to have anymore than the infantry are operators of blue water craft. Each to his own.
I obviously see more to littoral patrol ops than merely cruising the shoreline.
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If the CCG integrates more with DND, then the need for dedicated boarding may grow a fair bit. Thankfully for the button and bow types, there is historical precedent to work with.
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Landing party, properly kitted out (and not a red shirt among them)
And on patrol.
And on patrol.
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Lancaster mag pouches and he appears to have a rifle, interesting.
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Yes.
We don't need marines. Our job isn't fight any deeper than the jettys and shores lines.
I actually trained for that what back when I was on my Naval LANDING Boarding Party course.
This is how Google defines it:
Littoral patrolling is the military or naval act of watching, guarding, and scouting shallow coastal waters, near-shore zones, and beaches where the land and sea meet. It aims to find threats, stop illegal movement, and secure areas close to the coast.
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And it seems there are no laws that are not martial in your envisioned world.
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All of that is fine and good if you want to draw the line where you are drawing it.
There are places along our coasts, inaccessible by land, where you may want to, or need to, routinely go deeper and do more than that. Sometimes a boat is just transport for other people and other capabilities.
I guess we'll never see eye to eye on this one. I find that strange seeing as there are literally several dozens of examples of countries who have Marines as part of their military, most of whom use them in defence of their own shorelines rather than for expeditionary operations, and who almost always have less shoreline or shore-based infrastructure to patrol and protect than Canada does.
I can't quite understand why our navy, and in fairness, much of the army, dismisses the need for that. I can see why when the money and people are in tight supply, but the need is there and window of opportunity is opening. We should be looking a bit more outside the box and start developing a comprehensive and joint A2/AD strategy in all of its aspects.
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Any plan should encompass the worst-case scenario. The worst-case scenario is a lawless world. A world in which order, our order and our rules, need to be imposed.
Others are only too willing to impose their order and rules on us.
Our tolerant society has been built on 500 years of hope fuelled progress.
Unfortunately the order that we imposed was not universally welcomed.
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All of that is fine and good if you want to draw the line where you are drawing it.
There are places along our coasts, inaccessible by land, where you may want to, or need to, routinely go deeper and do more than that. Sometimes a boat is just transport for other people and other capabilities.
I guess we'll never see eye to eye on this one. I find that strange seeing as there are literally several dozens of examples of countries who have Marines as part of their military, most of whom use them in defence of their own shorelines rather than for expeditionary operations, and who almost always have less shoreline or shore-based infrastructure to patrol and protect than Canada does.
I can't quite understand why our navy, and in fairness, much of the army, dismisses the need for that. I can see why when the money and people are in tight supply, but the need is there and window of opportunity is opening. We should be looking a bit more outside the box and start developing a comprehensive and joint A2/AD strategy in all of its aspects.
So many unions. So many shop-stewards. So many silos. So many people defending their budgets.
So many exploitable seams.
I am truly hoping that the 2nd Canadian Div threat assessment starts by disregarding the whole issue of who does what and commences with just cataloguing the full array of threats across all domains (Diplomatic, Informational, Economic and Social as well as the physical Military domains) and determining how those threats can be countered at a local level.
Once that is done then we can figure out what is beyond local capabilities and needs a regional and a national component. Then we can move on to the local international (North America and the Western Hemisphere) and finally on to the international level.
We have spent decades focusing on the international to the extent that we have a hollow structure internally.
And this is far beyond the hollowing of the expeditionary forces that we routinely discuss.
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Hellyer's Marine Corps will eventually have its day.
Hybrid war fare. Little green men. Grey zones. Private armies. Air defence as a commercial security venture that keeps airfields clear of missiles, jets and drones just the same way they keep them clear of birds. Low cost interceptors. AI supported uncrewed bomb trucks. Recoverable boosters. Projectiles that can find their own targets on land and sea from thousands of kilometers in minutes.
None of this squares with systems that have their origins in the era of pikes, sailing ships and iron balls.
