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I think it's the other way around.
New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy
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seems likely that they are all derivatives
Davie Defense Finalizes Arctic Security Cutter Contract with U.S. Coast Guard
Progress continues on icebreaker acquisition for the U.S. Coast Guard with this finalized contract for five PC3 icebreakers.
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Exclusive First Look at Davie/Helsinki Shipyard's Arctic Security Cutter Design
More specifics on the Multi-Purpose Polar Support Ship
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Meanwhile across the pond, oops...
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Navy’s new frigates hit by setback after being built in wrong order
Work on a fleet of new Royal Navy warships has suffered a setback after two of them were assembled incorrectly.
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What . . . did they weld two blocks together with the pointy end facing in and not notice?Meanwhile across the pond, oops...
Navy’s new frigates hit by setback after being built in wrong order
Work on a fleet of new Royal Navy warships has suffered a setback after two of them were assembled incorrectly.
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Not how it works.
While you have plans that guide the work, fitting, which include pipes, trunking, wire ways and a lot of pre-wiring, remains an art. Unlike the hulls sections that are made to very narrow tolerances so that when welded together, they basically marry to one another smoothly, the fitters work from the plan, but in practice, have to work in the space they are given in reality and make sure that everything fits in there as close as possible to plan, yet it is never quite perfect.
Add to that the fact that in modern shipbuilding, the sub assembly modules are assembled upside down (so that the fitters work at their feet instead of on a ladder and above their head, which is a lot easier and makes for less mistakes and injuries) and, to ensure that sub assemblies will match the fitted systems of one another, there is an order to the work: Each module starts from a given point (say the forward bulkhead) and as it works towards the other end, gets the exact locations of fitted system in the next module to which it will connect so that they end up lined properly.
If one or two such sub assemblies are made in the wrong order for any reasons, or the same thing happens for a whole major block, then you only discover they don't quite match after they are put together and it has to be redone, but now the ship is right side up and you have to re-fit likely at both ends while working in confine space above you head.
Another type of order of work mistake could be something like having fitters come to install a pump somewhere, only to realize that the pipes it should connect to have not yet been fitted. etc. etc.
There are some sophisticated software programs out there to manage work-order in large projects, but they ultimately rely on human input, at least at the beginning in the building of the management plan, and errors can occur or one discovers after the fact that a step was missed, or two things should have occurred in a different order to maintain work flow, etc. That's one reason, amongst others, why first of class take more time to build, as you are learning all of those errors or work-flow corrections that improve production. It's also why efficiency of production and cost reductions occur on and on with each new vessel being built to the same plans.
While you have plans that guide the work, fitting, which include pipes, trunking, wire ways and a lot of pre-wiring, remains an art. Unlike the hulls sections that are made to very narrow tolerances so that when welded together, they basically marry to one another smoothly, the fitters work from the plan, but in practice, have to work in the space they are given in reality and make sure that everything fits in there as close as possible to plan, yet it is never quite perfect.
Add to that the fact that in modern shipbuilding, the sub assembly modules are assembled upside down (so that the fitters work at their feet instead of on a ladder and above their head, which is a lot easier and makes for less mistakes and injuries) and, to ensure that sub assemblies will match the fitted systems of one another, there is an order to the work: Each module starts from a given point (say the forward bulkhead) and as it works towards the other end, gets the exact locations of fitted system in the next module to which it will connect so that they end up lined properly.
If one or two such sub assemblies are made in the wrong order for any reasons, or the same thing happens for a whole major block, then you only discover they don't quite match after they are put together and it has to be redone, but now the ship is right side up and you have to re-fit likely at both ends while working in confine space above you head.
Another type of order of work mistake could be something like having fitters come to install a pump somewhere, only to realize that the pipes it should connect to have not yet been fitted. etc. etc.
There are some sophisticated software programs out there to manage work-order in large projects, but they ultimately rely on human input, at least at the beginning in the building of the management plan, and errors can occur or one discovers after the fact that a step was missed, or two things should have occurred in a different order to maintain work flow, etc. That's one reason, amongst others, why first of class take more time to build, as you are learning all of those errors or work-flow corrections that improve production. It's also why efficiency of production and cost reductions occur on and on with each new vessel being built to the same plans.
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The French Navy breaking the 3, 4 and 5 to 1 model.
3,4 and 5 to 1 implies to me readiness of 33%, 25% and 20% respectively.
The French Navy is targeting a readiness of 80%.
That suggests that if they own 5 ships 4 of them are operational at any given time.
www.navalnews.com
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This caught my eye.
"One interesting SSF approach highlighted here by the spokesperson is the navy’s “maintenance of major equipment by carousel”. To optimise the duration of AT/ATM work, major equipment can be taken off the ship and maintained ashore, before being reinstalled on the next ship entering AT/ATM."
To my mind this ties in directly with the Danish Stanflex system. You may not need or want to change vessel roles by rapidly swapping guns for missiles or torpedoes but there is considerable advantage to being able to pull out a damaged 76mm and dropping in a working one at any dockside in 30 minutes. Or pulling an empty missile pack and dropping in a preloaded one.
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3,4 and 5 to 1 implies to me readiness of 33%, 25% and 20% respectively.
The French Navy is targeting a readiness of 80%.
That suggests that if they own 5 ships 4 of them are operational at any given time.
French Navy Details Steps Taken to Build Frigate Availability to 80% - Naval News
The French Navy is maximising frigate availability through developing its approach to maintenance and operations.
www.navalnews.com
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This caught my eye.
"One interesting SSF approach highlighted here by the spokesperson is the navy’s “maintenance of major equipment by carousel”. To optimise the duration of AT/ATM work, major equipment can be taken off the ship and maintained ashore, before being reinstalled on the next ship entering AT/ATM."
To my mind this ties in directly with the Danish Stanflex system. You may not need or want to change vessel roles by rapidly swapping guns for missiles or torpedoes but there is considerable advantage to being able to pull out a damaged 76mm and dropping in a working one at any dockside in 30 minutes. Or pulling an empty missile pack and dropping in a preloaded one.
Flyvefisken Class (SF 300)
The Flyvefisken Class multirole vessels were built for the Royal Danish Navy by the Danish shipyard Danyard A/S between 1987…
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Hopefully the Scots have learned those lessons and are a Laptop away for on the site guidance for the Irving workforce
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Interesting, I never heard about this event, just saw a mention of it in a CCG FB page
This harrowing account describes a major engine room explosion and fire in the late 1970s or early 1980s involving the Canadian Coast Guard Ship (CCGS) Louis S. St-Laurent. [1]
A breakdown of the event details mentioned in your story:
This harrowing account describes a major engine room explosion and fire in the late 1970s or early 1980s involving the Canadian Coast Guard Ship (CCGS) Louis S. St-Laurent. [1]
A breakdown of the event details mentioned in your story:
- The Incident: A severe onboard explosion caused a massive fireball that completely gutted the bridge and upper decks. The blast incinerated electrical wiring, which instantly disabled primary steering, bridge controls, and radios.
- The Response: The engineers displayed immense bravery, manually steering the vessel and maneuvering the propeller shafts locally from the engine room.
- The Rescue: CCGS Labrador (a fellow icebreaker) was monitoring the ship via radio from over the horizon. When the ship lost contact and they saw the smoke, they diverted to investigate, eventually evacuating all non-essential crew members off the Louis.
- The Casualties: Tragically, a crew member succumbed to the fireball’s direct impact, with the intense heat melting their uniform. [1, 2]
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Seaspan currently has 3 ships of two classes underway. Progress report on the Polar Class Icebreaker.
www.truenorthstrategicreview.ca
Seaspan celebrates one year of progress on the heavy polar icebreaker
Press Release
www.truenorthstrategicreview.ca
Also see this article for details on the March 1982 fire:
Seven of 84 crew members on the Canadian Coast... - UPI Archives
Seven of 84 crew members on the Canadian Coast Guard's 'newest and largest' heavy icebreaker, Louis St. Laurent, were injured in a fire started Saturday by a...
www.upi.com
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Lost in the Small Surface Combatant Wilderness
Between January 13 and 15, the 38th Annual Surface Navy Symposium convened in Crystal City, Virginia, offering a detailed look at the state of the sur...
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At base, I feel, this author is representing the mindset that got the navies of the world into the problem he claims to wish to solve.
It seems to me that he is searching for a perfect universal solution at some indefinite time in the future.
The alternate plan, in my opinion, is to build for the moment with the technologies immediately to hand and with the present's tasks and threats in mind. That suggests continuous improvement and adaptation through constantly fielding new platforms in smaller batches.
Rather than trying to forecast a design that will meet the needs of the nation 50 years down the line with a view to having a hundred identical hulls build more flights with shorter shelf-lives and turn them over faster.
Sell them after 10 years on the water or re-role them to lesser duties.
Can you not simply decide upon a standardized hull that will endure for several cycles with only minor changes thus eliminating at least some of the cost of re-tooling. I know that much of the expense is in filling the shell but if the shell was a constant it would simplify matters. You would know exactly how much space you have to work with and design accordinglyLost in the Small Surface Combatant Wilderness
Between January 13 and 15, the 38th Annual Surface Navy Symposium convened in Crystal City, Virginia, offering a detailed look at the state of the sur...
At base, I feel, this author is representing the mindset that got the navies of the world into the problem he claims to wish to solve.
It seems to me that he is searching for a perfect universal solution at some indefinite time in the future.
The alternate plan, in my opinion, is to build for the moment with the technologies immediately to hand and with the present's tasks and threats in mind. That suggests continuous improvement and adaptation through constantly fielding new platforms in smaller batches.
Rather than trying to forecast a design that will meet the needs of the nation 50 years down the line with a view to having a hundred identical hulls build more flights with shorter shelf-lives and turn them over faster.
Sell them after 10 years on the water or re-role them to lesser duties.
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I await Davies PR team to announce they are working to make Trump Battleship idea a reality
Davie Defense was also honored to host Battleship Texas for a special salute during the groundbreaking event. An enduring symbol of American sea power, the ship served 34 years in the U.S. Navy, including five WWII campaigns, after being commissioned in 1914. Now under renovation at Gulf Copper, Battleship Texas will continue to receive in-kind support from the shipyard as the Battleship Texas Foundation transforms her into a modern, world-class museum.
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Davie Defense was also honored to host Battleship Texas for a special salute during the groundbreaking event. An enduring symbol of American sea power, the ship served 34 years in the U.S. Navy, including five WWII campaigns, after being commissioned in 1914. Now under renovation at Gulf Copper, Battleship Texas will continue to receive in-kind support from the shipyard as the Battleship Texas Foundation transforms her into a modern, world-class museum.
Davie Defense breaks ground on $1B Gulf Copper shipyards modernization
Helping Maritime Professionals Make Informed Decisions
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they are investing 850 million in Canada of which we are supplying over half. Where did all this money come from? Us as well?I await Davies PR team to announce they are working to make Trump Battleship idea a reality
Davie Defense was also honored to host Battleship Texas for a special salute during the groundbreaking event. An enduring symbol of American sea power, the ship served 34 years in the U.S. Navy, including five WWII campaigns, after being commissioned in 1914. Now under renovation at Gulf Copper, Battleship Texas will continue to receive in-kind support from the shipyard as the Battleship Texas Foundation transforms her into a modern, world-class museum.
Davie Defense breaks ground on $1B Gulf Copper shipyards modernization
Helping Maritime Professionals Make Informed Decisions
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