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North Korea (Superthread)

This is not going to end well at all. NK is just asking for a smack down now, and this is a clear act of war.

If the world does nothing about this, we are more or less telling them that they can get away with just about anything with no consequence whatsoever.
 
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Yep, the US is just one call away from having Hulk Hogan come in and tear into them.
HULKIMANIA RULES

I really doubt anything spectacular will come out of this situation. Do we even know why NK started throwing artillery around in the first place, or is this just more of the same normal NK bull$hit?
 
MPwannabe said:
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Yep, the US is just one call away from having Hulk Hogan come in and tear into them.
HULKIMANIA RULES

I really doubt anything spectacular will come out of this situation. Do we even know why NK started throwing artillery around in the first place, or is this just more of the same normal NK bull$hit?

Do they even need a reason anymore? North Korea does what North Korea wants. This is what happens when we let them get away with their antics.
 
HavokFour said:
This is not going to end well at all. NK is just asking for a smack down now, and this is a clear act of war.

If the world does nothing about this, we are more or less telling them that they can get away with just about anything with no consequence whatsoever.

What say every nation state represented in the UN send in one cruise missile to emphasis their point?
 
North Korea is feeling ignored. The mass starvation and poverty is destroying the country from the inside. Many South Korean DVD's are getting in now, creating huge political shock waves. The underground railroad is working both ways. NK obviously wants to be spanked for political gain at home. America looks weak. No money, 15 to 20% real unemployment, war on two fronts and a Democratic President. I think reacting would be playing into their hands obviously.

Good warriors do not let their enemies dictate the course of war. Let this slide. We will decide the time and place. Time for more information ops to rot out the regime like a bad tooth.
 
HavokFour said:
Do they even need a reason anymore? North Korea does what North Korea wants. This is what happens when we let them get away with their antics.


They "get away with their antics" because they are China's client and China is, in my opinion, content with situations short of war because China's long term goal is a reunified Korea, under Seoul's democratic-capitalist leadership, but "free' from US "occupation."

Doing too much about North Korea's antics risks a land war in Asia - something no sane person in West wants to fight because the prospects of anyone except the Chinese winning it are remote.
 
MPwannabe said:
Do we even know why NK started throwing artillery around in the first place, or is this just more of the same normal NK bull$hit?
Well the attack was on a disputed island (south korean but NK thinks/wants it to be theirs) where SK troops were conducting an exercise, I would assume that is as close to a reason we are going to get.
 
George Wallace said:
What say every nation state represented in the UN send in one cruise missile to emphasis their point?

192 cruise missiles for the 200 or so artillery shells fired seems like a fair trade.
 
Oh No a Canadian said:
Well the attack was on a disputed island (south Korean but NK thinks/wants it to be theirs) where SK troops were conducting an exercise, I would assume that is as close to a reason we are going to get.

That's more than enough justification for an attack according to NK...
 
Hey! Hey CHINA!!

Where do you think you're going?

YOU invited this ***hole to the party!! And when he got slammed and started getting out of hand, you were all like "No no, he's cool, he's not normally like this". Well, he's gone completely off the f***ing handle, he's taking swings at people, and since YOU invited this ***hat to the party, YOU can damn well be the one to kick him out.

And I don't give a **** if you get a bloody nose doing it. You've got it coming. You vouched for this ****-head, who has done nothing but cause problems for EVERYBODY. He's only here because of you, so you can damn well sort this mess out.
 
FoverF said:
Hey! Hey CHINA!!

Where do you think you're going?

YOU invited this ***hole to the party!! And when he got slammed and started getting out of hand, you were all like "No no, he's cool, he's not normally like this". Well, he's gone completely off the f***ing handle, he's taking swings at people, and since YOU invited this ***hat to the party, YOU can damn well be the one to kick him out.

And I don't give a **** if you get a bloody nose doing it. You've got it coming. You vouched for this ****-head, who has done nothing but cause problems for EVERYBODY. He's only here because of you, so you can damn well sort this mess out.

Hmm, drunken fratboy-ism to International politics.  Amusing yet descriptive.
 
Canada's PM speaks:
“This is the latest in a series of aggressive and provocative actions by North Korea, which continue to represent a grave threat to international security and stability in northeast Asia.  Canada will continue to condemn all acts of aggression by North Korea in violation of international law.

“On behalf of all Canadians, I extend my condolences to the families of those who were killed and injured as a result of this unprovoked attack.

"Canada reiterates its firm support to the Republic of Korea, and urges North Korea to refrain from further reckless and belligerent actions and to abide by the Korean Armistice Agreement.  Canada remains committed to peace and stability on the Korean Peninsula.

“Canada announced last month the adoption of a controlled engagement policy, terminating all official bilateral contacts between the government of Canada and the North Korean regime, with the exception of those necessary to address regional security concerns, human rights and the humanitarian situation in North Korea.

“Canada is a vigorous defender of freedom, democracy, human rights and the rule of law around the world.”
 
Nauticus said:
I see this spiraling out of control rather quickly.

There will be lots of huff and puff about it but in the end little will change.  If anything would have sent things out of control it would have been the sinking of the Chenoan (not sure of spelling).

The reality is, it is still in South Korea's interest to continue with the status quo.  As maddening as these attacks must be to them, should they retaliate, the South Koreans would take heavy civilian casualties due to long range artillery bombardment.

And thats just one consequence...

It would also be economically disastrous to the South.  Furthermore, nobody wants to risk antagonizing China and its not because of China's growing military capability, its because of China's economic influence.  What would happen to South Korean and Western economies if an all out war broke out with North Korea that China was involved in?  It would be an absolute disaster at least in the short term, and that is the only kind of term that liberal democracies are capable of considering...

Militarily speaking, a pissed off and committed West would beat China/North Korea hands down (with great cost mind you) today.  10-15 years from now, that prospect becomes unlikely.  Additionally, it is conceivable that North Korea would be able to attach warheads to missiles by then.  Currently, they cannot.

So in short, I think its going to spiral out of control rather slowly and come to a boiling point in a decade or so... just in time for the West and South Korea to be out of options.



 
Kim Jong Un wants us to attack. Things must be getting bad internally. Lets not be his puppet and do what he wants. Lets kick him in the balls instead. Spread a rumour that we poisoned all the Johnny Walker.

Here is a problem from a North Korean grade 1 math book: "If a grenade kills two Americans and another grenade kills three Americans, how many Americans were killed?" The government tells citizens to eat tree bark and grass to supplement their diet, even telling them which ones are edible. They teach that NKorea defeated the Japs in WWII without the USA. 

But the wall of propaganda is starting to fail. The snakeheads(human smugglers) from China and Japan are pushing a booming trade of refugees out and information and luxury goods in. According to recent refugees there is even talk in  NK reg force that stories about the North exporting food to South Korea due to an even larger famine there caused by US imperialists may not even be true. Ten years ago having a "sarcastic tone" when mentioning the fearless leader was a ticket to the Gulags.

This country is already disintegrating. But reunification would bankrupt South Korea. They are earmarking money in upcoming budgets to fund this eventuality. No one wants to be responsible for this train wreck. The longer we wait the more likely the Nk army dissolves like Iraqi conscripts when the time comes. Hopefully the poison scotch will have done its job by then.
 
George Wallace said:
,,,,,,And who was it who predicted (in another thread) that we may be in Korea next year ?
I am getting this feeling it was you G.W. :camo:
 
Analysis: Why apocalypse won't be now:

Even though the fighting in Korea has all the elements needed to start the next world war - weapons of mass destruction, hostile superpowers, and a failing, nuclear-armed regime - it is improbable that apocalypse is around the corner in East Asia.

South Korea is one of the engines of Asian prosperity, on which the world's hopes of an early economic recovery rest on peace in the region. By attacking Yeonpyeong island, a target of no strategic value, North Korea's dysfunctional regime is telling the world how much pain it could inflict if it isn't bribed to behave itself. It hopes that its sabre rattling will force talks where the West will agree to an aid package in return for a guarantee that Pyongyang will not produce further nuclear weapons. Both sides want wealth, not world war three.

Like other weak but nuclear-armed states, North Korea believes it can use limited conventional-weapons aggression to secure its objectives, since its weapons guarantee it protection from large-scale retaliation that could threaten its existence. The first sign of North Korea's post-nuclear strategy emerged when it sank the South Korean naval corvette Cheonan in March.

The real fear now is that protracted North Korean aggression will push South Korea and Japan to reconsider their long-held taboo on possessing nuclear weapons.

Chang Kwan-Il, South Korea's defence minister, said on Monday that it had no immediate plans to request the U.S. to station tactical nuclear missiles on its soil, to bolster the 28,500 troops stationed there.

Tuesday's events will change that equation. The U.S., aware of hostile Chinese reaction, is unlikely to want to do so. If it refuses, though, its East Asian allies will begin to doubt its willingness to use its nuclear weapons if push comes to shove - and go it alone.

The advanced industrial capabilities of South Korea and Japan mean they are, for all practical purposes, a screwdriver's twist away from actually building one. In February, the U.S. Joint Forces Command admitted that both countries "could quickly build nuclear devices if they chose to do so". South Korea officially ended its nuclear weapons program in 1975, but the International Atomic Energy Agency recently discovered its scientists had continued to work on weapons production technologies.

Even though memories of Hiroshima and Nagasaki still inform public opinion in Japan, conservatives have long called for the country to develop nuclear capabilities. Last year, Shoichi Nakagawa, an influential politician, bluntly said that "it is nuclear that can counteract nuclear".

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Blizzard Entertainment should just disable Battle.net in North Korea.  Without Starcraft they will come crawling back to sanity.

hey Does North Korea and China have nukes?
 
HavokFour said:
Do they even need a reason anymore? North Korea does what North Korea wants. This is what happens when we let them get away with their antics.

It's actually not about that at all. South Korea speculates that the North Korean action was in response to a SK military exercise off that island that the NK government protest.
 
Grimaldus said:
Blizzard Entertainment should just disable Battle.net in North Korea.  Without Starcraft they will come crawling back to sanity.

Last I heard, most of North Korea is without electricity, let alone the internet:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_in_North_Korea

South Korea is the Starcraft Nation.
 
Grimaldus said:
Blizzard Entertainment should just disable Battle.net in North Korea.  Without Starcraft they will come crawling back to sanity.

hey Does North Korea and China have nukes?

KEKEKEKE ZERG RUSH ^______^
 
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