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Halifax Tar
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I dont think we can put them in Lake Ontario.
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They are having issues with the security requirements for the install of the combat suite on JSS, they would loose their minds if they saw what the requirements would be for security on the build of a submarine.
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I have no doubt, I was simply commenting on a quote they made about interest of building them. I would imagine if they went ahead they would have a consortium, experts and a viable plan. Perhaps nothing will come of it. We are going into an election, lots of promises can be made that will extend and derail the procurement.
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The Rush-Bagot Treaty of 1817 forbids stationing of warships in the Great Lakes; transiting only, and under very specific circumstances.
Putting Nuke boats at Darlington would be a very clear violation.
Would it not also necessitate a rather long and very public surface transit to blue water that seems counterintuitive to the role?
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That too. And the impact on shipping within the St Lawrence. And the high cost of living within the GTA for the crews/support staff.
Bad idea all around, really.
Bad idea all around, really.
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It was meant to be a bit tongue in cheek. I’d love to see how they’d handle security at, say, Iroquois Lock with a nuke boat in transit. Also, it makes any chance of quick response to a perceived threat almost non existent, unless you want it enforcing no wake zones in and out of Cobourg Marina…
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Hey now,
Tongue and cheek suggestions can devolve into dangerous policy decisions faster than you think.
Never suggest a throwaway CoA; it may be the one you're forced to execute because the Comd likes it
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Well the S-92 is on the way out the door - if you want parts it better be for S-92A+ components - which as I understand a lot of S-92 (and CH-148) parts (and airframes) aren't.I love the way you think
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So I would think there is a good case for both parties (the CAF and LM to work some sort of deal for the MH-60R
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Maybe check and see what effect Ojibwa is having on marine traffic in Port Burwell...
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I really want my Aliens Invade COA to be selected just once. COA 1: Most dangerous enemy action, COA 2: most likely enemy action, COA 3: aliens invade and we must join forces to fight themHey now,
Tongue and cheek suggestions can devolve into dangerous policy decisions faster than you think.
Never suggest a throwaway CoA; it may be the one you're forced to execute because the Comd likes it
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But knowing Canada, we would ask for a different weapon system, meaning they are incapable of firing a torpedo for a decade, so the Treaty will not apply during that period.
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Merlin (EH101)would be closer to how we use helicopters, but that's a bigger helo than the Cyclone (about 3 tons?? some MPH person will correct me here). Might not work for current CPF setup but sure would work for both JSS and CSC setup as JSS hangar is gigantic and CSC hangar is designed for Merlin to begin with.Well the S-92 is on the way out the door - if you want parts it better be for S-92A+ components - which as I understand a lot of S-92 (and CH-148) parts (and airframes) aren't.
*my wife doesn't work in RMS anymore, so I don't have a clue what is or is not compatible - but I know LM-RMS/SIK has wanted Canada to offload the CH-148 for a while.S-92® Helicopter
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So I would think there is a good case for both parties (the CAF and LM to work some sort of deal for the MH-60R
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I wonder if some of the submarine requirements can be made with UUV's of some sort, or perhaps should be combined with them. Long endurance near ice UUV could work, but given how ice and iceburgs behave it might be risky materiel wise.
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operating doesnt really apply to that reactor though unfortunately
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Well the S-92 is on the way out the door - if you want parts it better be for S-92A+ components - which as I understand a lot of S-92 (and CH-148) parts (and airframes) aren't.
*my wife doesn't work in RMS anymore, so I don't have a clue what is or is not compatible - but I know LM-RMS/SIK has wanted Canada to offload the CH-148 for a while.S-92® Helicopter
With more than 2.2 million fleet flight hours the S-92® helicopter is the industry’s standard for safety and reliability. The S-92 helicopter performs a variety of missions, including offshore energy transportation, search and rescue, Head of State, and airline missions.
So I would think there is a good case for both parties (the CAF and LM to work some sort of deal for the MH-60R
MH-60R SEAHAWK® Helicopters
Experience unmatched maritime capabilities with MH-60R SEAHAWK® helicopters. Its mission system ensures actionable knowledge, empowering target engagement.
I tend to believe that the MH60 SH was the right choice to begin with.
I think we have some very anti American sentiment in this country and CAF and it clouds peoples judgment.
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MH60 has less capability then the Cyclone (worse RMP sensors, worse sonar, can't carry a torp and dip and so on). It's also got a lower availability rate then the Cyclone (though I think that has just as much to do with RCAF Technicians and Supply being amazing as it does with the helo).
Of course it has advantages as well (cost, parts, not an orphan class...). Merlin is really the only good comparable out there from where I'm sitting.
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