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Replacing the Subs

I think it's just the flight suits, they seem to be bona-fide chick magnets. Seen it with my own eyes during airshow season 😧😮😞
Yeah. Everyone's a pilot, to the point that we just say "sure" instead of having to explain our jobs.
 
Funny how the Interwebs bends and shapes you.

Thinking about father-in-law in corvettes dodging subs, leads to breaking ice following the route of Radisson and Groseillers, leads to Canadian submarines, leads to Canadian subs launching missiles, leads to the Mk 41 VLS system for subs aka the Virginia Payload Module, leads to dimensions of the modules and sizes of available subs, leads to the VPM in the Swedish Blekinge .... and still wondering if that's a possibility.


And then I came to this Geopolitical Gem.

Sweden plays nicely with the Scandinavians, the Finns, the Balts and the Brits. All pals together in JEF.

But in NATO, and the EU, she has different dance partners.

In February 2014 the project was cancelled because of disagreements between Kockums's new German owners, ThyssenKrupp, and the Swedish government. ThyssenKrupp refused to send a complete offer to any potential buyer, and demanded that each one buyer pay for the entire development rather than sharing the cost.[6] The cancellation resulted in the Kockums equipment repossession incident on 8 April 2014. As per protocol, The Swedish government repossessed all equipment belonging to Defence Materiel Administration (Sweden), as well as all secret blueprints and images, using an armed escort. By orders from a manager, Kockums staff tried to sabotage the repossession by locking the gates with the repossession crew and escort still inside.[6][7]

Sweden develops some of the world's best technologies and its submarine fleet is interesting. And useful. But Sweden is a small country trying to support a very thin edge of the wedge capability.

Germany, on the other hand, seems to do efficiency better than innovation. In Kockums case, IMO, it appears that Germany tried to "buy" innovation - and then lock Sweden out of their own, hard won, strategic capabilty.

lf
 
Funny how the Interwebs bends and shapes you.

Thinking about father-in-law in corvettes dodging subs, leads to breaking ice following the route of Radisson and Groseillers, leads to Canadian submarines, leads to Canadian subs launching missiles, leads to the Mk 41 VLS system for subs aka the Virginia Payload Module, leads to dimensions of the modules and sizes of available subs, leads to the VPM in the Swedish Blekinge .... and still wondering if that's a possibility.


And then I came to this Geopolitical Gem.

Sweden plays nicely with the Scandinavians, the Finns, the Balts and the Brits. All pals together in JEF.

But in NATO, and the EU, she has different dance partners.



Sweden develops some of the world's best technologies and its submarine fleet is interesting. And useful. But Sweden is a small country trying to support a very thin edge of the wedge capability.

Germany, on the other hand, seems to do efficiency better than innovation. In Kockums case, IMO, it appears that Germany tried to "buy" innovation - and then lock Sweden out of their own, hard won, strategic capabilty.

lf
Canada may be better served with South Korean KSS III batch 2. 89m, range of 19,000km, but can only stay submerged for 20 days. There are 10 vertical launch tubes which is not an option Canada is looking for but could be replaced with a Slowpoke reactor. The S Koreans may be interested in the Slowpoke for their own needs. It certainly wouldn't hurt to talk to them about it.
 
Canada may be better served with South Korean KSS III batch 2. 89m, range of 19,000km, but can only stay submerged for 20 days. There are 10 vertical launch tubes which is not an option Canada is looking for but could be replaced with a Slowpoke reactor. The S Koreans may be interested in the Slowpoke for their own needs. It certainly wouldn't hurt to talk to them about it.
It doesn’t fit the NA sized human very well, nor does it have any ice capability.

If you look nuclear, it makes more sense to jump onto AUKUS, and we have heard repeatedly that nuclear powered boats won’t fly.

So if one accepts it as a given that nuclear boats are off the table. Following up from @Kirkhill Saab acquired Kockums and Sweden restarted the A26 class, which is supposed to have a ~25 day submerged ability, and limited ice strengthening. Which would put it in a decent position for Canada, as the first 2 Swedish A26 are supposed to be delivered in the next 2 years.
 
It doesn’t fit the NA sized human very well, nor does it have any ice capability.

If you look nuclear, it makes more sense to jump onto AUKUS, and we have heard repeatedly that nuclear powered boats won’t fly.

So if one accepts it as a given that nuclear boats are off the table. Following up from @Kirkhill Saab acquired Kockums and Sweden restarted the A26 class, which is supposed to have a ~25 day submerged ability, and limited ice strengthening. Which would put it in a decent position for Canada, as the first 2 Swedish A26 are supposed to be delivered in the next 2 years.
During a visit to Kockums facilities on 30 June 2015 the Swedish defence minister, Peter Hultqvist, announced that two submarines will be ordered for a cost of 8.2 billion SEK (US$ 956 million).[37] The two submarines were to be delivered to the Swedish Navy in 2024 and 2025. [38] However, in 2021 it was indicated that the delivery date had slipped by a further three years, to 2027–28, and the costs had risen by SEK5.2 billion (or USD600 million).[39]
They are pretty small subs at 1,900 tons. The Vic's are 2,455 tons and the Sōryū-class is 2,900 tons and Taigei class is 3,000. These will also be the first Swedish subs capable of blue water ops on a regular basis.
 
During a visit to Kockums facilities on 30 June 2015 the Swedish defence minister, Peter Hultqvist, announced that two submarines will be ordered for a cost of 8.2 billion SEK (US$ 956 million).[37] The two submarines were to be delivered to the Swedish Navy in 2024 and 2025. [38] However, in 2021 it was indicated that the delivery date had slipped by a further three years, to 2027–28, and the costs had risen by SEK5.2 billion (or USD600 million).[39]
They are pretty small subs at 1,900 tons. The Vic's are 2,455 tons and the Sōryū-class is 2,900 tons and Taigei class is 3,000. These will also be the first Swedish subs capable of blue water ops on a regular basis.
As I understand their size (length and tonnage) has grown due to the 18 VLS Strike cells that the initial design hadn’t featured.
Oceanic Extended range | Saab

I suspect that since the first A26 just laid down and is the starting point the Oceanic ER class, they won’t have a full product sheet and defined capabilities until after that boat is finished.
 
During a visit to Kockums facilities on 30 June 2015 the Swedish defence minister, Peter Hultqvist, announced that two submarines will be ordered for a cost of 8.2 billion SEK (US$ 956 million).[37] The two submarines were to be delivered to the Swedish Navy in 2024 and 2025. [38] However, in 2021 it was indicated that the delivery date had slipped by a further three years, to 2027–28, and the costs had risen by SEK5.2 billion (or USD600 million).[39]
They are pretty small subs at 1,900 tons. The Vic's are 2,455 tons and the Sōryū-class is 2,900 tons and Taigei class is 3,000. These will also be the first Swedish subs capable of blue water ops on a regular basis.
Maybe we could do a mixed fleet with a light sub under 2,000 tons and a heavy sub over 4,000 tons.
 
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