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Seniors Benefits Discussion- split from Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

You think somebody making $95k can/will have 4 kids????

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Sure, if by some accident they do, then maybe the $2k per month for a few years will prevent the kids starving once a week.
Depends on where you live.

95k/yr in Toronto with 4 kids - no

95k/yr in Moncton, NB or North Bay, ON with 4 kids - yup, could be very doable.
 
Depends on where you live.

95k/yr in Toronto with 4 kids - no

95k/yr in Moncton, NB or North Bay, ON with 4 kids - yup, could be very doable.

Yeah. In 2010. Not 2026.

And again. "It can be done in Moncton." is not an f'ing solution to a national problem. It's an argument to win internet points.
 
Yeah. In 2010. Not 2026.
It would come down to lifestyle choices and circumstances.

From AI

Based on a $95,000 family net income and 4 children (ages 3, 5, 7, 10) in Ontario, you would receive roughly $15,000–$18,000+ annually (approx. $1,250–$1,500+ per month) in tax-free, combined Canada Child Benefit (CCB) and Ontario Child Benefit (OCB) payments for the 2025-2026 period

I asked the following question - "If i had 4 children, ages 3, 5, 7, 10 and I had an family income of 95,000 a year and lived in North Bay, Ontario, how much would I receive in family benefits.
 
This forum loves outliers. I guess if we simply move 90% of Canada to rural areas, our fertility crisis will be solved. Easy peasy. Mao Cultural Revolution style. Just march em all out of the cities.

I actually don't even think in rural Canada most people would choose to have 4 kids on $95k per year. They may end up in that situation by accident or say events (job loss). But I seriously doubt it's that common. If you have 4 kids on $95k, you are barely keeping a roof on their heads and feeding them. You're basically raising the next generation of the impoverished at that point.
Don’t be an ass.

You have a terrible reputation on this forum already for your arrogance and doggedness to score rhetorical points- often impolitely.

My point, which stands, is that in some places in Canada it is still possible to live cheaply. I did not think that statement required the caveat that it is not possible to shut down Toronto and move everyone to rural Saskatchewan.

But, hey- you showed me…
 
From AI

Based on a $95,000 family net income and 4 children (ages 3, 5, 7, 10) in Ontario, you would receive roughly $15,000–$18,000+ annually (approx. $1,250–$1,500+ per month) in tax-free, combined Canada Child Benefit (CCB) and Ontario Child Benefit (OCB) payments for the 2025-2026 period

I asked the following question - "If i had 4 children, ages 3, 5, 7, 10 and I had an family income of 95,000 a year and lived in North Bay, Ontario, how much would I receive in family benefits.

Revenue is half the problem.

It would come down to lifestyle choices and circumstances.

Poverty or close to it is a lifestyle choice I guess. Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should, or will.

You're going to be raising these kids with no RESPs, not many afterschool activities, etc, in a world where the average parental gift to a new home buyer in Canada was $115k in 2024. Would somebody do it? Sure. I am sure there are some out there. But the average middle class family isn't looking to raise kids who need anti-depressants for life because of penury as a starting position.
 
Don’t be an ass.

You have a terrible reputation on this forum already for your arrogance and doggedness to score rhetorical points- often impolitely.

Plenty of people have given me the same here. Come on now. Seems to be allowed when it's the party line.

My point, which stands, is that in some places in Canada it is still possible to live cheaply. I did not think that statement required the caveat that it is not possible to shut down Toronto and move everyone to rural Saskatchewan.

Again though. Why bring it up if you're not trying to resort to whataboutism?

Exceptions don't prove/disprove the rule.
 
Depends on where you live.

95k/yr in Toronto with 4 kids - no

95k/yr in Moncton, NB or North Bay, ON with 4 kids - yup, could be very doable.

Calling Moncton rural lol

FML, our country is so screwed. I hate to say it as I am one but fucking upper Canadians, JHC.
 
Plenty of people have given me the same here. Come on now. Seems to be allowed when it's the party line.



Again though. Why bring it up if you're not trying to resort to whataboutism?

Exceptions don't prove/disprove the rule.
That does not include me.

I have always tried to treat you with respect, even though I sometimes disagree with your opinions.

Lower your elbows and drop the ad hominem.
 
Calling Moncton rural lol

FML, our country is so screwed. I hate to say it as I am one but fucking upper Canadians, JHC.
I didn't call Moncton rural. I gave 2 examples of small cities in 2 parts of Canada.

I was attempting to compare living in the largest city in Canada, with 2 smaller cities - I didn't say or refer to rural at all.

Maybe you confused my post with another one?
 
I didn't call Moncton rural. I gave 2 examples of small cities in 2 parts of Canada.

I was attempting to compare living in the largest city in Canada, with 2 smaller cities - I didn't say or refer to rural at all.

Maybe you confused my post with another one?

No, the whole train of thought was 95K in a rural setting, allowing for a larger family. And you injected Moncton.

Do you know the Maritimes is becoming just about unaffordable for Maritimers because upper Canadians moving here have a large amount of responsibility for driving up the property prices ?
 
No, the whole train of thought was 95K in a rural setting, allowing for a larger family. And you injected Moncton.
Then I misread that.

But living in Moncton vs living in 'Hopewell Cape', about 20km south of Moncton or living in North Bay vs living in 'Ellsmere Village', about 20km north of North Day really wouldn't have much of a difference, would it?
 
Ok, you win.

First time in years...

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Do you know the Maritimes is becoming just about unaffordable for Maritimers because upper Canadians moving here have a large amount of responsibility for driving up the property prices ?
There are lots of homes where I grew up that have been bought by retirees or online workers from Ontario and BC. They sell a home for over a million out West, buy a home for $300+, spend another $100-200 renovating, and still come out of it with lots of money left over.

Great for them, but bad for the locals not making big city money, or selling big city homes, who have to compete in the same housing market.
 
There are lots of homes where I grew up that have been bought by retirees or online workers from Ontario and BC. They sell a home for over a million out West, buy a home for $300+, spend another $100-200 renovating, and still come out of it with lots of money left over.

Great for them, but bad for the locals not making big city money, or selling big city homes, who have to compete in the same housing market.

This has been a massive problem in Halifax. Go on viewpoint.ca and look at the housing prices in the HRM.
 
This forum loves outliers. I guess if we simply move 90% of Canada to rural areas, our fertility crisis will be solved. Easy peasy. Mao Cultural Revolution style. Just march em all out of the cities.

I actually don't even think in rural Canada most people would choose to have 4 kids on $95k per year. They may end up in that situation by accident or say events (job loss). But I seriously doubt it's that common. If you have 4 kids on $95k, you are barely keeping a roof on their heads and feeding them. You're basically raising the next generation of the impoverished at that point. Or fodder for the fentanyl crisis.

Respectfully, I think your perspective here is a bit skewed by what you look around you and see each day, and that in turn is impacted by your social and financial status.

Every CAF officer is, objectively, relatively high income compared to their Canadian age cohort. So that this doesn’t come across as a ‘me vs you’ thing I’ll put myself in there too; as a cop in my late 30s I’m making comparable income, and my wife’s not far behind me. We built a house early and started having kids late.

I’ve found, and maybe you have too, that as my income has grown, lifestyle has too, kinda subtly but keeping pace. I have increased how much I set aside monthly for my own investments and lying down the mortgage, but otherwise despite an objectively high income, I’m not sitting on some big windfall each payday. Driving to work, I’m not sharing a bus with obviously large families. The school bus stop outside my house is families economically like mine. I do my groceries at a big suburban store with a lot full of SUVs, not a cramped grocery store in Vanier or Overbrook where mom does groceries with three or, yes, four kids in tow. So for me it’s hard to imagine living off 40% of my family income and getting by.

Going back a few years, when I was still young and keen and riding a cruiser to calls, work by its nature took me to where people and their problems are, and I was seeing the families. And yeah - four kids might not be common, but I did see it. Or even five. Lots of families with three. And they sure as hell weren’t making $95k or even close to it. What they did make was probably from working multiple jobs.

So there are a lot of people doing it, you and I just don’t see them much because our paths tend not to cross in settings where family size is obvious. They’ve grown up with that being a norm.

Anecdotally/observationally? I think a lot are generationally recent immigrant families. They haven’t grown up in a norm of one bedroom per kid or all the other luxuries we have. Food is scratch cooked. The family car is a best up Toyota Sienna that just refused to die. They don’t see dad much because of work. But they get by. And sure as hell for them that CCB kicks in and makes a difference.

It would interesting to see Canadian fertility data that drills down beyond just live births per woman, but also gave granular stats for things like ethnicity, whether they’re immigrants or first generation, and also the mean age at first, second, and subsequent births. I suspect even our domestic birth rate is boosted by immigration.
 
BINGO!!

I said something similar the other day. Instead of one 3000 square foot house build three 1000 square foot houses....
That sometimes can happen. Large lots are split, or consolidated and then split.

Example from where I once lived: original 100', later converted to 50's and 33's, 50's eventually being bought in pairs and split into 33's. Depending on what zoning changes have been made, potential to go down to 25's for minis.
 
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