is it possible to agree and disagree at the same time? Here is my dilemma. It is a given that we need new coast guard vessels and that those vessels should be properly equipped. The gear mentioned by the minister will go a long way towards establishing our presence and control in the north. So in that regards I totally agree with your statements. My problem is I remember reading a government publication regarding the discovery of an alien force in the north. The person who made the discovery was supposed to write down what he had observed and mail it to an given address in Ottawa. That is correct: Canada Post was to carry notice of an invasion. Using coast guard vessels to supplement the navy is a wonderful idea but only if there is a navy within reach to respond and that is where I disagree with your position. As I have stated before we need to start planning to take delivery of a combat capable ship ASAP. The early 2030's for the first River class is too far in the future.
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daftandbarmy
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The response to any incursion in the arctic is not going to be the navy. The RCAF will have weapons on site in hours, not days/weeks, like the navy would require.
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i suspect whomever is committing the incursion is aware the RCAF would be the first one's to respond and would likely have some measure of air defense to welcome them. Invading is not done on a lark, it's a significant commitment.
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Hah!
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Yes, and that's not even really a realistic scenario. A more plausible security issue would be a simple constabulary mission like policing illegal fishing activity or illegal dumping. I wonder how many Ships in the Arctic actually respect Canadian environmental law WRT dumping of pollutants in the water?
Sovereignty is about being able to enforce the law of the land. Can we even do the basics right now? As the ice opens up, I could see illegal fishing from a Chinese or other Countries fishing fleet in or near our territorial waters being way more of a problem than some sort of actual bona-fide Military issue.
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The Chinese will "Invade" with a civilian looking contingent on a "scientific mission". Are you going to bomb that?
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No but maybe fire warning shots and more to a PLA "coast guard" vessel ramming one of ours in the way that is becoming typical in the Philippine Sea.
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New sovereignty project.
A fleet of 24 PC4 aframax tankers shuttling oil from icebound Churchill to icefree Placentia Bay.
A steady stream of ships moving back and forth would establish sovereignty, surveillance, provide local assistance to SAR, especially if equipped with helipads, and move oil to market in exchange for money to buy stuff.
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Unit price of a PC4 Aframax is estimated in the 100 MUSD range.
Cheaper than an OPV.
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More money for the CCG to spend and use in the Arctic
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Any naval personnel that has visited CCG ships knows how much room/space they have onboard for all sorts of things compared to a warship. Figuring out a refit (for existing ships) or fitting from the start in new vessels a 50 square meters ops room to centralize the collection of maritime information, its collation and redistribution as a useful maritime picture has got to be one of the easiest things to do.
