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The David Ahenakew Thread- Merged

Wow....and as if on cue.

There was just two CHCH Channel 11 (Hamilton) cameramen assaulted by native protestors this afternoon at a Canadian Tire....and the OPP stood there and did nothing while they bloodied one, and stole the camera and tripod of the other.

They have grainy video of the attack, there were residents who are now calling in and they're seriously pissed.



Matthew.    >:(
 
Cdn Blackshirt said:
Wow....and as if on cue.

There was just two CHCH Channel 11 (Hamilton) cameramen assaulted by native protestors this afternoon at a Canadian Tire....and the OPP stood there and did nothing while they bloodied one, and stole the camera and tripod of the other.

They have grainy video of the attack, there were residents who are now calling in and they're seriously pissed.



Matthew.     >:(

The fact that they assaulted them is one thing.  Disturbing.  But...are you serious, the OPP just stood there???????????  wtf?  I find that MORE disturbing!

 
See IMO the law is only as strong as those who enforce it...and those individuals are human...remember to err is human...doesn't mean these two gentlemen ought to have been assaulted though...

Nevertheless...I would agree for many reasons that the laws are not applied equally in this country...but if you look at our social system there are examples that will come screaming at you with regards to inequality...

HL
 
Michael Dorosh said:
And if you can't see, in general terms, the imperative to treat different people differently under the law, then I would humbly submit that neither are yours. Or put a better way, our eyes may be open, but not all that can be viewed is out in the open to be seen.

If people in Canada were truly equal, not more or less equal, then the laws could and should be applied evenly without regard to race, religion etc! To suggest that we treat natives differently, all you are doing is perpetuating discrimination! Nice try though.
 
2 Cdo said:
If people in Canada were truly equal, not more or less equal, then the laws could and should be applied evenly without regard to race, religion etc! To suggest that we treat natives differently, all you are doing is perpetuating discrimination! Nice try though.

So the same could be said to "any" "special group".

Cause I think ALL Canadians are special.  Just not all the same.  Make sense?

Equal treatment around the table!  (except...criminals...terrorists...thugs...rapists...and the lot)
 
Michael Dorosh said:
And if you can't see, in general terms, the imperative to treat different people differently under the law, then I would humbly submit that neither are yours. Or put a better way, our eyes may be open, but not all that can be viewed is out in the open to be seen.
but, to differentiate based on race or skin colour, whether positively or negatively, is pure racist crap. To give Indians more, or less, "Rights" simply because they were born Indians is racism. The treaties are garbage, and no longer relevent. All they do is perpetuate problems created in a less-enlightened time. Having spent most of my youth on/near Reservations, that's straight from the horse's mouth.

Either everyone is equal under the Law, or no one is. And if everyone is 'special', nobody is. This Liberal guilt-white man's burden crap that we tout as "equality" and "tolerance" is simply making things worse.
 
paracowboy said:
but, to differentiate based on race or skin colour, whether positively or negatively, is pure racist crap. To give Indians more, or less, "Rights" simply because they were born Indians is racism. The treaties are garbage, and no longer relevent. All they do is perpetuate problems created in a less-enlightened time. Having spent most of my youth on/near Reservations, that's straight from the horse's mouth.

Either everyone is equal under the Law, or no one is. And if everyone is 'special', nobody is. This Liberal guilt-white man's burden crap that we tout as "equality" and "tolerance" is simply making things worse.

Interesting topic, and I will sit on the fence on this one, as I beleive we are all equals and NO one should get special treatment outside the treatys from the 19th century. Have any of you checked the enterance criteria to enter the RCMP for example? native vs others. There is a difference regarding the education standard and other things, or at least there was in 2000.

Anyone care to comment on that?

Do you think that is fair?

Over my years in the CF, I have worked in harmony along side many native blokes who were Cree, Saulteax, and Sioux, plus others. The army only has one colour, thats green, and I liked that, no special treatment, although some may beg to differ with the Bold Eagle training of the 80's and early 90's held in Dundurn during the summers. I don't know if that scheme is still running.

The programs gave some identity to the native platoons, and was good for esprit du corps and overall moral. SIVA was involved along with cultural awareness, which gave European instructors a new prospective, and helped understand each other's cultures within our own country.

I thought it was a good plan.


Regards from a winters day here on Bribie Island,

Wes
 
Wesley "Down Under" said:
Do you think that is fair?
no. Vehemently NO!

The army only has one colour, thats green, and I liked that, no special treatment.
I like that, too.

Although we did differentiate once. This won't be funny for anyone who didn't know this kid, but for those who do, it's hilarious:
We had in Inuit lad from somewhere North of the Arctic Circle in 3RCR. Had no concept of time. You sleep when you're tired, and eat when you're hungry. That's it. Poor bugger spent almost his entire first year on extras or charge parade. Finally, the CoC had enough. The kid couldn't grasp time. It just didn't make sense to him. So, he kinda went his own way for the remainder of his IE. When he was inevitably late, or missing, he got bollocked and beasted, but he didn't get anything serious. It wasn't even enfuriating anymore, just kinda disheartening. He stopped being punished because it was like kicking a puppy that can't be housebroken. Cruel. Even his fellow privates didn't complain "discrimination". He just had a really tough time of it, and they tried to make it easier on the poor bugger. He finished his IE, and went home.  ;D
 
I recall a very weird conversation over some beers with British soldiers in Wainwright back in the 1980's. the Thatcher Revolution was in full swing, and this squaddie was very keen on the idea that the Iron Lady was going to clean up "the Spooks and Wogs" back home.

Since this was a gentleman of the black persuasion saying these things, I was a bit stunned (although I suppose most people would never notice  ;)), but in his eyes, everyone sitting aruond the table was green, which made everything fine as far a he was concerned.
 
a_majoor said:
I recall a very weird conversation over some beers with British soldiers in Wainwright back in the 1980's. the Thatcher Revolution was in full swing, and this squaddie was very keen on the idea that the Iron Lady was going to clean up "the Spooks and Wogs" back home.ed.

I recall drinking scotch with a black British Army WO I in the late 1980s at about 4 am in the mess at Suffield, talking about the popular hobby at that time of "throwing queers" out the 2nd story windows in the barracks once they had been outed. Times have certainly changed.
 
I cannot believe that anyone is arguing that the law should be bent and unequally applied for anyone in this country.  You may end up hearing about an incident in Caledonia today, whereby a member of the Michigan State Police and an OPP officer were severely assaulted while trying to assist a couple being accosted by native criminals.  One was run over by a car being stolen by the natives. 
Enough. 
Natives have had a free run under the Lieberals for too many years.  Oka and Ipperwash were beyond unacceptable, and in a real world they would have been sorted out in a credible manner.  Now this Caledonia donkey show.  The OPP are standing by and "doing nothing" because that is what OPP Commissioner Gwen Bonniface wants.  Check out this article:

OPP brass sacrificing safety: officers
By Susan Clairmont
The Hamilton Spectator(Jun 8, 2006)

OPP officers assigned to the native standoff in Caledonia say their bosses have put their public image ahead of officer safety and law and order.

Talking for the first time since the volatile land occupation began 100 days ago, the president of the Ontario Provincial Police Association says a meeting is being held tonight in Caledonia. So the association can hear concerns of officers who have been told not to wear riot gear or tactical uniforms when dealing with native protesters. Officers say they are being sent out without proper back-up and are left wondering if commanding officers and the courts will back them up when they try to enforce the law.

"Due to the political pressures and optics involved with this, the OPP seems to be bending their own rules, while sacrificing officer safety," Karl Walsh says. "Optics don't have any place on the front lines at Caledonia."

The OPP have had a fluctuating presence at the protest since natives began occupying a housing development they claim is being built on their land. At some points, only a single OPP officer was watching the natives from a parked cruiser. At other times, lines of officers have stood between natives and Caledonia residents, as tempers flared.

Front line officers feel they haven't had a strong enough presence at the barricades, and not having enough officers makes it dangerous on the front line.

The "deviation from the usual training and standards" of the OPP "has been an underlying concern from the get-go" in Caledonia, says Walsh.

So far, 13 officers have been injured while assigned to the stand-off.
Some of those injuries may have been avoided if officers had been allowed to follow the training, policies and procedures they have always abided by.

For instance, the highly-trained and heavily-armed members of the OPP tactical team have not been allowed to wear their tactical uniforms.

"It's OK to have an officer walking around in tactical uniform at Wasaga Beach on a long weekend, but it's not OK in Caledonia," Walsh says.

And the standard practice for OPP officers dealing with an unruly crowd -- as both the protesters and the townsfolk have sometimes been during the past months -- is to dress in "public order gear." That's the politically correct term for riot gear, consisting of helmets, visors and shields.

"But these officers were ordered not to wear them for optical purposes," according to Walsh. The OPP doesn't want to give the media, the protesters or the residents of Caledonia the impression "there's an increased level of aggressiveness" in what they consistently have called a "peaceful" operation.

In fact, that is Constable Paula Wright's response when asked to respond to the concerns raised by Walsh and front-line officers.

The Haldimand detachment media officer repeatedly says that "our role is to keep the peace and ensure public safety."

Wright would not talk about police gear or uniforms, saying those are "operational matters" that will not be discussed publicly because to do so could -- ironically -- jeopardize officer safety.

It has been a long 100 days for the OPP officers on the ground in Caledonia. Some, like those from the local detachments and members of the specially-trained OPP Aboriginal Response Team who were deployed as negotiators, have been there from the beginning.

Others are rotated in every seven days from across the province.

It was two of those officers, who having just arrived from out-of-town on Sunday, found their cruiser surrounded by angry natives that night after they mistakenly turned down the Sixth Line, a road that was a mutually agreed upon "no-go zone" for the OPP.

"They got surrounded and there were a lot of upset people at the time. It was a faction within the protest area that's determined not to deal with things in a rational manner. It was a simple mistake," says Walsh.

The officers apologized to the crowd of 40 people and said they would leave.

They weren't allowed to and the cruiser was damaged.

Six Nations Police officers arrived and, according to Walsh, issued trespassing tickets to the officers under The Indian Act. Six Nations Police could not be reached for comment.
There have been very few charges laid by the OPP against native protesters since this began. The charges they have laid have been largely ignored. Those arrested have refused to acknowledge the court system, saying it doesn't apply to them.

"That is a two-tiered justice system," Walsh says.

So -- does the Ontario Provincial Police have any power?

Are they going to be allowed to do their job and uphold the law?

Those questions are expected to come up at tonight's meeting.

Officers feel they are powerless and have, in some cases, been left to fend for themselves without the backing of the OPP or the judicial system.

Walsh won't say when or where tonight's meeting is taking place, because it is not open to the public. And Walsh himself won't be there.

Instead, he will be at a meeting of the Canadian Professional Police Officers Association in Ottawa, to which he is also bringing the Caledonia concerns. He hopes the national association will put pressure on Prime Minister Stephen Harper to step in and deal with the land occupation. He takes issue with comments Harper has made publicly that Caledonia is ultimately a provincial law enforcement issue.

"This is clearly a federal issue," counters Walsh. "Our officers are the ones who are stuck in the middle of this ... We want our officers back in their communities. We want them to go home to their families safe and sound."
 

Just absolutely f%cking ridiculous.  I'm sorry.  I tolerate the no tax, the free university, the endless excuses for sub par behavior.  But this crap is going to get an officer killed.  The more shit they get away with, the more emboldened they will become.  Land claim my ass.  This is domestic terrorism pure and simple.  At such time as Canadians get sick of this sort of abuse of native privileges, I for one couldn't bring myself to argue against a proposal for the Indian Act being stricken in Parliament. 
 
Michael Dorosh said:
I recall drinking scotch with a black British Army WO I in the late 1980s at about 4 am in the mess at Suffield, talking about the popular hobby at that time of "throwing queers" out the 2nd story windows in the barracks once they had been outed. Times have certainly changed.

So did you land on your feet? 
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Oh, come on, you left that WIDE open.  Just in jest, no harm intended.  ;D
 
Zipperhead_cop,

Why don't the OPP just say frig it and walk away...let there be an informal justice take place...okay...I know I know...doesn't work that way...
I truly believe that if you (these natives) are going to act this way...your rights ought to be taken away...because you are no longer deserving of them as a Canadian IMO...

I pray to God that nothing serious happens to the cops being put in harms way...without proper protection...and shame on those who made it so...

HL
 
News crew hurt covering Caledonia standoff

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2006/06/10/caledonia.html

Ontario Provincial Police are investigating a new outbreak of violence at the native protest site in Caledonia and claims that its officers did not intervene to stop an attack on two news camera operators.

Debbie Walker, a managing producer at CH Television in nearby Hamilton, said one of the employees was taken to hospital Friday with cuts and bruises to his head, but couldn't say who was responsible. A second camera operator also suffered minor injuries after he was kicked and punched.

Ken MacKay and Nick Garbutt said they were attacked by Six Nations protesters while filming  a confrontation between natives and an elderly couple in front of a Canadian Tire store.

MacKay alleged that he asked for protection from OPP officers standing nearby but they did nothing to help.

Garbutt needed stitches to close a head wound. MacKay accompanied his colleague to hospital, but did not require treatment.

OPP Const. Keith Robb said police were investigating the allegations.

Insults thrown around

The conflict continued late into the night as natives and non-natives hurled insults at each other over a schoolyard fence. Townspeople also directed their anger at police, accusing them of being one-sided after two non-native residents were arrested.

The three-month standoff began Feb. 28 when a small group of Six Nations protesters from the Grand River Territory reserve moved on to a construction site in the town, southwest of Hamilton, claiming the land belongs to them.

Since then, there has been an abortive OPP raid to clear the site in April, a subsequent blockade of a major artery into town; strained relations between native and non-native protesters that led to a standoff down the road, and finally a period of calm after the protesters took down their blockade and moved back on to the construction site.

Native protesters still occupy that land.


This has gone on TOO long.  And now roaming bands of thug Natives are pulling shite like this off?

Time to release the hounds. 



 
See now...the news (CTV) just reported on this OPP incident with the natives...I have a huge problem now that I saw that poor dear woman...of Europen decent of some type...recount she and her husband being attacked for being on their way to Hamilton...dear god the poor man had a heartattack over the incident and is in hospital...

Enough is enough IMO for the love of god will someone not get some balls and sort this out...it is way beyond a land claim issue now >:(

HL
 
Ya maybe start by getting rid of the barracade by force if required.

Concurrently, they could get rid of the weak panzy ass Liberal premier as well...

Picking on old people now?  Now they are just thugs and bullies.  Throat punches!
 
Time for a levee en masse to handle the issue? (please note that this is totally sarcastic on my part)
 
Hot Lips said:
Why don't the OPP just say frig it and walk away...let there be an informal justice take place...okay...I know I know...doesn't work that way...

Well, with the denial of proper equipment, I could see a justification for a work refusal under the Occupational Health and Safety Act.  If all of the lads were on board, the brass would have a real cluster on their hands.  Unfortunately, the promotional and reward system in the OPP is designed to crush team cohesion, and to bolster toadyism and back stabbing.  Leaders are heavily penalized for their initiative, and anyone who doesn't tow the Corporate line gets isolated and administratively hazed.  I have much sympathy for my O-dot brothers and sisters. 

Mud Recce Man said:
Ya maybe start by getting rid of the barracade by force if required.

There should still be some operational mine flails around for the Leo's aren't there?  Seems to me that would break things up rather quickly. 

Hot Lips said:
Enough is enough IMO for the love of god will someone not get some balls and sort this out...it is way beyond a land claim issue now >:(

HAH.  Funny you should mention that.  The one who needs them is one who never had them.  Give this a read, and then decide if your Provincial Police are being given the political backing that they need.  THIS IS NOT MADE UP, THIS IS OPP POLICY:

http://www.ipperwashinquiry.ca/policy_part/meetings/pdf/OPP_Appendix_D_Promise_of_the_OPP.pdf

“THE PROMISE OF THE O.P.P.” (VALUES AND ETHICS)
As an organization, the O.P.P. commits to working continually to earn the confidence of the citizens of and visitors to Ontario—a confidence that will not be taken for granted. The O.P.P. fulfills this commitment by providing the best and most professional service, possible, and by striving to build a culture of trust, and open and honest dialogue, with the communities it serves and among the people it employs. The organization commits to creating and sustaining a positive working environment in which all employees have equal opportunity to fulfill their potential within the profession.
As an O.P.P. employee and volunteer, I appreciate the vital role I play in protecting the fundamental rights of all people in Ontario. I therefore commit to always putting the interests of the public and the O.P.P.’s Vision and Mission before any personal and private interest. And I promise that I will always demonstrate pride in my profession and the O.P.P. through personal conduct that reflects my belief in the value of:
Accountability
Respectful Relationships
Fairness, Courage and Caring
Continuous Learning
Diversity
September 2002 1
“The Promise of the O.P.P.” (Values and Ethics)
ETHICS (BEHAVIOURS) UNDERLYING “THE PROMISE”
Accountability (professional excellence)
I will:
• Project a positive, professional image: attitude, appearance and demeanor
• Lead by example; always try to be a good role model
• Be accountable for my own actions and those of my staff
Advance corporate direction and policies• Assume my rightful share of the work and pitch in to help others
• Admit when I don’t have an answer; seek out appropriate information/people
• Know when to take initiative and be an independent thinker, and when to take direction
• Take a stand on values/principles, even when it’s difficult to do so
• Ensure there is consistency between what I say and do
• Be honest, courteous, trustworthy and keep my word, dedicated, diligent and disciplined in all my dealings; make good use of constructive criticism
• Do the very best I can to “make a positive difference” each day
• Seek to understand and provide service consistent with the needs, expectations and priorities of my customers, staff, team
• Take personal responsibility and initiative, e.g. follow up on all inquiries (complaints, requests), provide progress reports/helpful information, inquire if there is anything else I can do to be helpful, “go the extra mile”; explain, as appropriate, why certain processes/actions are necessary
• Be clear that to accept free “perks” or “professional courtesies” may lead to a sense of entitlement or indebtedness that could potentially compromise the public’s trust in my ability to remain objective and impartial in the exercise of my duties
• Protect the rights of all people in an equal and consistent manner
• As a supervisor, I will make “people management” my top priority; address performance expectations clearly, consistently, directly, constructively and in a timely fashion; provide specific feedback to staff on what s/he did to achieve, exceed or fall short of expectations
Respectful Relationships (strong and positive)
I will:
• Be approachable; friendly, cheerful; welcoming, sincere, enthusiastic; demonstrate strong inter-personal and communication skills
• Be accessible; maintain an “open door policy”, make time to know my staff, colleagues and communities; ensure regular face to face contact; collaborate and cooperate
• Support the O.P.P. Auxiliary and community volunteers
Strengthen relationships with our First Nations communities and First Nations policing partners, our police services boards, policing advisory committees and community partners; our justice sector partners; and federal and municipal police services
• Involve people from the community and concerned agencies in a partnership to prevent, identify and resolve issues of crime, traffic and social order
• Be familiar with and make appropriate referral to community resources and agencies
• Recognize the positive contributions of others; thank people; demonstrate my trust in others by acknowledging their strengths, skills and expertise
• Build effective teams
Fairness, Courage and Caring (empathy and compassion)
I will:
• Have the courage to confront those who violate democratic, human and civil rights of others
• Maintain an open mind, try to be impartial and non-judgmental; be aware of and manage my personal biases or attitudes, e.g. stereotypes
• Understand consequences for others of when/how I express my personal feelings and opinions; try to understand the underlying feelings of others; try to anticipate others’ reactions to my behaviour or comments, e.g. jokes
• Appreciate the state of mind of people “in crisis” or with a problem they consider very serious; help to calm and diffuse emotions in a crisis; help vulnerable people to feel safe and secure
• Learn from and forgive honest errors
• Be patient and as flexible, as possible
• Put myself in the shoes of others; understand things from the perspective of my customers and colleagues
• Treat all others with equality, as I would want my loved ones and myself to be treated; victims and accused (their families and communities), colleagues and staff, regardless of gender, race, ethnicity, ability, age, etc.; enable others to maintain their dignity even in the face of adversity
• Support colleagues, especially those who may feel vulnerable or at a disadvantage because of their employment status, e.g. new recruits, volunteer, civilian, contract; or background, e.g. race, gender, ethnicity
• Exercise humility and self-control/discipline
• Be thoughtful about both what I say and “how” I communicate, i.e. sensitive to inadvertent or subtle messages, terms or labels; avoid potentially hurtful rumours and gossip; maintain confidentiality
Continuous Learning (professional and personal development)
I will:
• Take personal responsibility for my career and personal development; seek out learning opportunities
• Debrief to learn from both successes and failures; learn by reflecting on my personal contributions to either; look for the positive in learning, especially from failure and disappointment; apply learning to future actions
• Encourage discussion of ethical dilemmas, i.e. “doing the right thing, not just doing things right”
• Share with others the benefit of my experience, knowledge and skills; seek feedback on my performance
• Seek out the experience, knowledge and skills of others in the community
• Work to understand underlying causes of social disorder and crime in order to be more effective on the job
• Take care of myself, e.g. recognize when I need help (professionally and personally) and be willing to seek help; maintain a work-life balance
• Stay current with changes in my field and more broadly the profession and organization
• Look beyond the status quo to improve my skills and knowledge; always seek to improve what and how I can contribute, e.g. creative solutions, better approaches, new technologies/tools
Diversity (in society and my workplace)
I will:
• Seek to understand different perspectives, cultures, lifestyles, creeds and apply that understanding to effect quality policing
• Identify candidates for recruitment to enhance the diversity of the O.P.P. workforce reflective of the communities we serve
• Adjust the way I work (behave and communicate) by appropriately accommodating others’ basic human rights
• Respect the individual dignity and strengths of all people

DIRECTION FOR NEWLY COMMISSIONED OFFICERS
Preamble to the Oath of Office to be read by the Commissioner
You have performed your duties as a non-commissioned officer in an exemplary manner. In recognition of your demonstrated abilities, you are now to be awarded a Queen’s Commission as an Officer with the Ontario Provincial Police. This is indeed an honour.
As a Commissioned Officer, you must:
Dedicate yourself to acting in the best interests of the public
Remain loyal to the Vision and Mission of the Ontario Provincial Police and champion its corporate direction
Demonstrate, by example, your belief in the value of:
Accountability for Professional Excellence
Positive and Respectful Relationships
Fairness, Courage and Caring
Continuous Learning, and
Diversity in Society and in our Workplace
Foster and sustain an organizational culture of open and honest dialogue, equality and trust
Exercise leadership responsibilities consistent with goals of achieving Justice, applying the Rule of Law, maintaining a strong Moral Core, and respecting Human Dignity and the Democratic Principles upon which our society is based
Oath of Office
I solemnly affirm that I will be loyal to Her Majesty the Queen and to Canada, and that I will uphold the Constitution of Canada and that I will, to the best of my ability, preserve the peace, prevent offences and discharge my other duties as a Commissioned Officer, faithfully, impartially and according to law.
September 2002 5


Pretty ridiculous way to micro manage "To Serve and Protect".  Funny how no other group than natives gets singled out for special consideration. 

And for that matter, where are the native members of this site in this discussion?  I would love to see them give their two cents worth, or are they afraid of being labeled "apples"?

Perhaps once someone dies from the mishandling of this blatant act of what borders on treason, somone else will remove their cranium from their anal orifice and get to work.  Then we can all feel free to point the finger where the blame belongs...........
 
I said it before, and I'll say it again: Levee en masse:
"The levée en masse is defined as taking place against foreign troops either invading or occupying a country, restricting the definition to one involving national self-defense. It refers especially to situations in which the populace spontaneously takes up what weapons it has and, without having time to organize, resists the invasion."
OK, so it's not an invasion by foreign troops.....but....

How about just a steak and lobster fest followed by oodles of beer?

 
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