The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)

[SeaKingTacco]

Obviously the solution is electric aircraft and solar panels on the wings

No, obviously it should be coal powered…

 

[SeaKingTacco]

GlobalEye is not vapourware, given how its actively in use by the UAE, being bought by Sweden and considered by many others. The Phoenix Global based platform by IMI/L3/Korea is not proven yet though, so fair on them.


Keep in mind I am not privy to the internal of the GlobalEye however, I think the main issue at hand is available space. You have an already modified civilian business jet into an AWACS platform, now you need to try and fit the piping and rig to take the refueling on top of all this. Might need some serious redesigns to the platform to make it work. The Phoenix AWACS doesn't have that issue as AAR is built in from the start.

I was commenting more on Phoenix, more than GlobalEye. Sorry for lacking clarity.

 

[dapaterson]

No, obviously it should be coal powered…

Nah, the CAF is short on stokers.

 

[lenaitch]

GlobalEye is not vapourware, given how its actively in use by the UAE, being bought by Sweden and considered by many others. The Phoenix Global based platform by IMI/L3/Korea is not proven yet though, so fair on them.


Keep in mind I am not privy to the internal of the GlobalEye however, I think the main issue at hand is available space. You have an already modified civilian business jet into an AWACS platform, now you need to try and fit the piping and rig to take the refueling on top of all this. Might need some serious redesigns to the platform to make it work. The Phoenix AWACS doesn't have that issue as AAR is built in from the start.

I think their vapourware platform was their offer for the Maritime Patrol program which, if I recall, was no more than a picture and a promise.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Nah, the CAF is short on stokers.

I actually can form a mental picture of some stokers standing in front of a coal bin in an aircraft, madly shovelling into a furnace to keep the aircraft airborne.

 

[dapaterson]

I actually can form a mental picture of some stokers standing in front of a coal bin in an aircraft, madly shovelling into a furnace to keep the aircraft airborne.

 

[ytz]

GlobalEye however, I think the main issue at hand is available space. You have an already modified civilian business jet into an AWACS platform, now you need to try and fit the piping and rig to take the refueling on top of all this. Might need some serious redesigns to the platform to make it work. The Phoenix AWACS d

Theoretically, Saab can put on a fuel probe in front and do hose and drogue refueling. It would be very uncomfortable and inefficient. But it can be done. They just don't want to eat the NRE cost of that design change. Paying lobbyists to get the government to remove the requirement is cheaper.

 

[Nvlgzr]

GlobalEye is not vapourware, given how its actively in use by the UAE, being bought by Sweden and considered by many others. The Phoenix Global based platform by IMI/L3/Korea is not proven yet though, so fair on them.


Keep in mind I am not privy to the internal of the GlobalEye however, I think the main issue at hand is available space. You have an already modified civilian business jet into an AWACS platform, now you need to try and fit the piping and rig to take the refueling on top of all this. Might need some serious redesigns to the platform to make it work. The Phoenix AWACS doesn't have that issue as AAR is built in from the start.

I don’t see anywhere in the literature that Phoenix has AAR.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

I don’t see anywhere in the literature that Phoenix has AAR.

I don't think that it does.

 

[Rifleman62]

If Bombardier and Saab agree privately, without the Canadian Govt, that they want to become partners for Gripen production/assembly, now that would put political pressure on Canada to adopt the Gripen. If that isn't happening, this is nothing but further desperation from Saab to salvage their bid with Canada.

But, a Gripen will be manufactured in Quebec.
Politicians don't give a shidt what the CF requires. It's votes.
Remember the CF5?

 

[Halifax Tar]

Nah, the CAF is short on stokers.

I actually can form a mental picture of some stokers standing in front of a coal bin in an aircraft, madly shovelling into a furnace to keep the aircraft airborne.

The Last Shanty (A Sailor Ain't A Sailor)

This song was written by British singer and writer of nautical songs Tom Lewis and released on his 1987 album Surfacing!. It has since become very popular among folk musicians and been covered by numerous artists. The Longest Johns' version is based on the Fisherman's Friends arrangement...

thelongestsong.fandom.com

They gave us an engine that first went up and down
With some new technology the engine went around
We're good with steam and diesel, but what's a mainyard for?
A stoker ain't a stoker with a shovel anymore

 

[Halifax Tar]

Sorry - brain fart where I confused AAR with a radar system and not air to air refueling.

And here I was wondering why these planes couldn't do After Action Reports...

 

[YZT580]

Safe production away from the eastern front. A highly skilled workforce who can be part of future development of not only aircraft but multiple other systems. Similar reason reason why Korea is trying to get our support and buy their systems.

so Saab can buy Bombardier to obtain a reliable off-shore production facility. Gives them other products to work with as well.