TKMS Type 212CD (Victoria class replacement megathread)

[Eaglelord17]

One other thing I will add is I am 6’2” tall, that has a effect on what I consider a tight space.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

One other thing I will add is I am 6’2” tall, that has a effect on what I consider a tight space.

That is what did it for me. O boats had way more head room.

 

[CBH99]

And then Canada went cheap on the spare parts - and said we didn't want to buy the ones that the Brits offered us....so they sold them on the open market. Which then sold them back to Canada at a considerable mark-up in cost when it turned out we actually needed them.

Noooooooooooo way...us? Really?

Good thing that was just a one time thing & we learned from it so it won't happen again...

 

[calculus]

Two interesting videos on this purchase:

 

[HavokFour]

So now that we're buying JSMs, what are the chances the TKMS offer could have included domestic production of NSM or even possibly JSM (or JSM-SL)?

 

[KevinB]

So now that we're buying JSMs, what are the chances the TKMS offer could have included domestic production of NSM or even possibly JSM (or JSM-SL)?

Zero given that is a Kongsberg item.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Zero given that is a Kongsberg item.

But JSM is being built in the US (Virginia) for Kongsberg. Their new facility in VA employs 180 people.

 

[KevinB]

But JSM is being built in the US (Virginia) for Kongsberg. Their new facility in VA employs 180 people.

Again zero linkage to TKMS.

While the GoC is free to pursue some sort of venture with Kongsberg, it has zero linkage to TKMS.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Again zero linkage to TKMS.

While the GoC is free to pursue some sort of venture with Kongsberg, it has zero linkage to TKMS.

True

 

[KevinB]

True

There are a slew of programs that make sense for the GoC/DND encourage CDN domestic production of munitions and consumables for.

Canada has often taken worst in class options for domestic Defence production.
Giving favored status to private companies who end up getting bought out by foreign defense giants.
Closing down crown corporations that manufacture domestic defence products due to them being ‘non profitable’ as opposed to seeing them for what they are; peace time endurance of wartime needs.

 

[Czech_pivo]

There are a slew of programs that make sense for the GoC/DND encourage CDN domestic production of munitions and consumables for.

Canada has often taken worst in class options for domestic Defence production.
Giving favored status to private companies who end up getting bought out by foreign defense giants.
Closing down crown corporations that manufacture domestic defence products due to them being ‘non profitable’ as opposed to seeing them for what they are; peace time endurance of wartime needs.

We'd rather close down an unprofitable Crown Def Corp employing 5-700 people and use the 'savings' to fund free dental in the past.....

 

[KevinB]

We'd rather close down an unprofitable Crown Def Corp employing 5-700 people and use the 'savings' to fund free dental in the past.....

more like

1) sell off CC to private sector for a pittance (with no real understanding of of what that CC offers)
2) CC the lays off 75% of staff
3) CC bought by US or Uk Defense Conglomerate
4) CAF buys items at 300% of original ‘non profitable’ price.
5) Net GoC (and CAF) loss.

 

[Underway]

Again zero linkage to TKMS.

While the GoC is free to pursue some sort of venture with Kongsberg, it has zero linkage to TKMS.

True, it was not part of the bid, however...

Norway was putting their finger on the scales and Naval Strike Missile production did come up. In Newfoundland of all places. What that would look like (supplier, assembly, specific parts etc..) I have no idea. Kongsburg is exploring options.

I do agree that JSM will not be made in Canada. It is a variant of the NSM, but still a different missile.

 

[Underway]

more like

1) sell off CC to private sector for a pittance (with no real understanding of of what that CC offers)
2) CC the lays off 75% of staff
3) CC bought by US or Uk Defense Conglomerate
4) CAF buys items at 300% of original ‘non profitable’ price.
5) Net GoC (and CAF) loss.

Recently LM bought Ultra Electronics. Not a CC or anything but it was like WesCam with L3. Good product with good foreign order sheet, picked up by foreign defence giant. Happens when you are publicly traded I suppose.