TKMS Type 212CD (Victoria class replacement megathread)

[HavokFour]

Aka…subs are hard.

Wouldn't want them squishy.

 

[Troopasaurus]

Babcock was part of the KSS-III sustainment plan; TKMS partnered with Seaspan.

Hanwha Ocean, Babcock Canada Lay Out CPSP Sustainment, Delivery Plan

Hanwha Ocean and Babcock Canada outlined sustainment roles, platform details and a proposed delivery timeline for Canada’s submarine project.

www.govconexec.com

Seaspan ready to deliver Canadian sovereign sustainment on new submarine fleet with partner TKMS - Seaspan

Victoria, B.C. — July 6, 2026 — Seaspan Shipyards (Seaspan) today welcomed the Government of Canada’s announcement of ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems (TKMS) as the strategic build partner for the Canadian Patrol Submarine Project (CPSP). The project aligns with Canada’s Defence Industrial Strategy...

www.seaspan.com

 

[KevinB]

Yep probably number two or three. Then after that it doesn't really matter.

They didn't magically do it as I stated before. Norway in particular stepped in a committed one of their own boats to sweeten the pot. TKMS bid that went in at the same time as Korean one stated 2033 as the first Canadian boat. Norway's commitment came when? I don't know.

Norway’s boat deal is Government to Government, so likely very late in the game to tilt the needle.

If TKMS has a history of taking their submarine contractors for a ride that would be pretty clear. Their reputation is quite the opposite with decades of integration and experience. So I'm going glass is half full on this. Yes they had first of class problems (Type 214... ) for sure. I expect there will be some for this boat as well.

Agreed on both points. Fish do not vote (neither do rivers though... lol)

12 subs = 10 provinces 2 territories.
Yukon gets cut. That's a river so it will be part of the River Class!

I’m sure you won’t need 12 names at the end of the day.

 

[medicineman]

I’m sure you won’t need 12 names at the end of the day.

6 names - 6 of them with "II" after their names...replacing the "First of Its Name" when it gets paid off as the twin is launched...my middle initial is "C" for "Cynic"

 

[SeaKingTacco]

I thought Babcock did all the EDWP Sub maintenance? They just happen to be at VSL (Seaspan). I never saw Seaspan people on the East Coast, just Babcock. Mind you, FMF still does a lot of it too.

No.

Babcock does the EDWP now.

VSL will be TKMS partner for the 212s

 

[Underway]

Norway’s boat deal is Government to Government, so likely very late in the game to tilt the needle.

I’m sure you won’t need 12 names at the end of the day.

We can revisit this in (takes off shoes to count) more than ten years. It will be 8 years till we get four.

 

[Underway]

No.

Babcock does the EDWP now.

VSL will be TKMS partner for the 212s

That alone will probably make a bunch if people happy. Lot of maint types are NOT impressed with Babcock. Of course maint types are never happy. Even me... I can be a real asshole.

 

[Czech_pivo]

We can revisit this in (takes off shoes to count) more than ten years. It will be 8 years till we get four.

True.
Do you have a ‘keel laying’ ceremony for subs?
Would we send people to Germany for each sub?