HavokFour
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Wouldn't want them squishy.
TKMS Type 212CD (Victoria class replacement megathread)
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Wouldn't want them squishy.
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Babcock was part of the KSS-III sustainment plan; TKMS partnered with Seaspan.
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Hanwha Ocean, Babcock Canada Lay Out CPSP Sustainment, Delivery Plan
Hanwha Ocean and Babcock Canada outlined sustainment roles, platform details and a proposed delivery timeline for Canada’s submarine project.
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Seaspan ready to deliver Canadian sovereign sustainment on new submarine fleet with partner TKMS - Seaspan
Victoria, B.C. — July 6, 2026 — Seaspan Shipyards (Seaspan) today welcomed the Government of Canada’s announcement of ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems (TKMS) as the strategic build partner for the Canadian Patrol Submarine Project (CPSP). The project aligns with Canada’s Defence Industrial Strategy...
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Norway’s boat deal is Government to Government, so likely very late in the game to tilt the needle.
I’m sure you won’t need 12 names at the end of the day.
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6 names - 6 of them with "II" after their names...replacing the "First of Its Name" when it gets paid off as the twin is launched...my middle initial is "C" for "Cynic"
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We can revisit this in (takes off shoes to count) more than ten years. It will be 8 years till we get four.
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That alone will probably make a bunch if people happy. Lot of maint types are NOT impressed with Babcock. Of course maint types are never happy. Even me... I can be a real asshole.
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True.
Do you have a ‘keel laying’ ceremony for subs?
Would we send people to Germany for each sub?
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So you're saying John A MacDonald, Edgar Ryerson or Sir Sam Steele are out?
If they decide to name them after provinces, maybe keep Alberta and Quebec to the end of production.
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His Majesty’s Canadian Untersee Boot 1867
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OldSolduer
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Number them after auspicious events in RCN history- even though I started with 1867
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No I am not fundamentally doing such. I guess I will have to explain such as you 100% missed such.
If you go back and read the hypothetical proposed names you will see it is very different.
The RCN has a history of using native names for warships which in the most part correspond to rivers. Look at the "steamers" , ... ie the St.Laurent, MacKenzie, Restigouche, and Annapolis class. All named after rivers. And if one looks at the origin of the river names, 10 were of Indigenous origin, 3 named after explorers, 6 mostly french language origin, and 1 likely named related to British royalty. Clearly , "Indigenous" is the largest origin.
Further, which you noted that you did see on the website, the RCN on a government webpage clearly indicates for the River Class it intends to use Indigenous names - which is 100% contrary to your devil's advocate position that such use of Indigenous names will be offensive because not every aspect of Canada's Indigenous culture can be covered.
Noting that the past 'steamers' in no small part had names that in the majority were from river's of Indigenous names, and further noting that the RCN intends to follow that tradition with the River Class, and noting further that the 3 Canadian O-boats, in addition to adopting a name starting with "O" also adopted names of Indigenous origin, establishes a strong tradition of showing exceptional honor to Canada's native culture.
The fact that every group can't have use of their names/language is, frankly, an over concern (dare i say over-reach) in your devil's advocate approach.
Further - My point ??? It is this ... The names I suggested prior were deliberately new names, in part, to use Indigenous names that had not yet been used, in part to address the VERY devil advocate approaches such as yours (where I think you over looked that part of my intent).
Now ... on the topic of names - I also like the names of Canada's provinces/territories being used for the Type-212CD class submarines to be procured by Canada. I note thou, some of those provinces have Indigenous origins, and frankly we should celebrate such origins, and not try to ignore it (or put it down) as an English language adaptation, like you inferred. Nor should we put it down because every Indigenous aspect can not be covered (unless of course, you wish to buy 2 or 3 dozen more submarines to satisfy all).
I also note that naming submarines after past distinguished surface warships is also something other navies in the world have been known to do.
Having typed that, if one wished to play the devil's advocate for naming Canadian Type-212CDs after provinces, one could gripe and say that is a "USA approach" as the USN for their Virginia class submarines have mostly (not entirely thou) named such after US states. Hence in a time and age when the USA POTUS is applying tariffs and making veiled acquisition of Canada suggestions, adopting a USA approach may (if playing the devils advocate) not be an appropriate approach (naming our subs after provinces like USA does , where USA names subs after states). .... Just saying if i were a devil's advocate.
One area where I think we agree (although I could be wrong there in your view) is we both believe that chosen names should ideally reflect some aspect of Canadian history / heritage that we wish to honour by naming a submarine after such.
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There are 634 Indigenous groups in Canada. You could ask for them all to submit their approval to name the subs after them.
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Now the fight would be worth watching
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Would it not mean if the hull number gets reduced, then so too do the ITB’s, offset etc commensurately?
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In the interest of exploring the idea of names for the submarines, and trying hard not to grind any axe, I noted Noah's suggestion of an "Island" class for the submarines, where I took that a step further, and for the sake of PURE SPECULATION and discussion, along those lines the names could hypothetically be:
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HMCS Baffin
Named for Baffin Island, Canada’s largest island and the anchor of the eastern Arctic approaches. It signals a submarine capable to seasonally operate in Baffin Bay and the northern choke points, reinforcing Arctic sovereignty and long‑range patrol capability.
HMCS Ellesmere
Ellesmere Island is Canada’s northernmost large island, projecting toward the high Arctic and polar basin. As a submarine name, it could emphasize deep‑Arctic, under‑ice endurance and the RCN’s ability to patrol the most remote parts of Canadian territory.
HMCS Victoria
This would carry the heritage of the Victoria class. Further Victoria Island is one of Canada’s largest Arctic islands, straddling Nunavut and the Northwest Territories. Using “Victoria” for a new submarine both ties the boat to the central Arctic archipelago.
HMCS Banks
Banks Island lies on the western flank of the Northwest Passage and the Beaufort Sea. As a hull name, it communicates a role guarding the western Arctic maritime approaches and participating in surveillance and interdiction across routes that may become more active with changing ice conditions.
HMCS Salt Spring (or Saltspring)
Salt Spring Island is one of the Gulf Islands off British Columbia, within the Canadian Pacific Fleet’s operating and training environment. Naming a submarine after Salt Spring could be seen as underscoring its connection to coastal waters, complex littoral navigation, and West Coast communities that support the fleet.
HMCS Galiano
Galiano Island sits among the southern Gulf Islands and shares its name with an early RCN vessel lost with all hands during the First World War. Reusing “Galiano” for a modern submarine both roots the boat in West Coast geography and commemorates a significant chapter of naval sacrifice, which is consistent with long‑standing warship naming traditions.
HMCS Quadra
Quadra Island, in the Discovery Islands region, carries historical resonance through its name and proximity to key coastal routes. As a submarine name, “Quadra” evokes maritime exploration and coastal complexity, fitting for a platform that must operate covertly amid straits, channels, and archipelagic terrain.
HMCS Avalon
Avalon refers to the Avalon Peninsula, projecting into the North Atlantic from Newfoundland and historically central to transatlantic convoys, fisheries, and early settlements. For a submarine, “Avalon” conveys persistent presence at the front line of North Atlantic traffic and the defence of Canada’s eastern approaches without directly using the provincial name.
HMCS Cape Breton
Cape Breton Island has a long industrial and maritime history, including shipbuilding, coal ports, and naval presence. As a submarine name, it connects the boat to Canada’s working maritime heritage on the Atlantic coast and reinforces its role in protecting sea lanes and coastal infrastructure.
HMCS Anticosti
Anticosti Island sits at the mouth of the St. Lawrence River, effectively guarding the gateway to Canada’s interior waterways and major ports. Naming a submarine “Anticosti” highlights a mission centred on monitoring and securing key approaches to Quebec and Ontario’s economic heartland.
HMCS Sable
Sable Island is famous as the “Graveyard of the Atlantic,” a hazardous sandbar whose wreck history is deeply embedded in maritime lore. For a submarine, “Sable” is an evocative name: it suggests a stealthy, elusive presence in dangerous waters, turning an area once notorious for ship losses into a symbol of controlled, covert naval power.
HMCS Magdalen
The Magdalen Islands (Îles de la Madeleine) lie in the Gulf of St. Lawrence and represent a distinctive francophone and Acadian maritime community. As a submarine name, “Magdalen” adds regional and cultural depth to the fleet, while signalling a role in the Gulf—monitoring shipping, fisheries, and approaches to the St. Lawrence in a complex oceanographic environment.
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Obviously this is massive speculation and simply exploring the naming concept - and not axe grinding any particular naming approach, other than to chose a name with Canadian history and/or heritage.
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HMCS Baffin
Named for Baffin Island, Canada’s largest island and the anchor of the eastern Arctic approaches. It signals a submarine capable to seasonally operate in Baffin Bay and the northern choke points, reinforcing Arctic sovereignty and long‑range patrol capability.
HMCS Ellesmere
Ellesmere Island is Canada’s northernmost large island, projecting toward the high Arctic and polar basin. As a submarine name, it could emphasize deep‑Arctic, under‑ice endurance and the RCN’s ability to patrol the most remote parts of Canadian territory.
HMCS Victoria
This would carry the heritage of the Victoria class. Further Victoria Island is one of Canada’s largest Arctic islands, straddling Nunavut and the Northwest Territories. Using “Victoria” for a new submarine both ties the boat to the central Arctic archipelago.
HMCS Banks
Banks Island lies on the western flank of the Northwest Passage and the Beaufort Sea. As a hull name, it communicates a role guarding the western Arctic maritime approaches and participating in surveillance and interdiction across routes that may become more active with changing ice conditions.
HMCS Salt Spring (or Saltspring)
Salt Spring Island is one of the Gulf Islands off British Columbia, within the Canadian Pacific Fleet’s operating and training environment. Naming a submarine after Salt Spring could be seen as underscoring its connection to coastal waters, complex littoral navigation, and West Coast communities that support the fleet.
HMCS Galiano
Galiano Island sits among the southern Gulf Islands and shares its name with an early RCN vessel lost with all hands during the First World War. Reusing “Galiano” for a modern submarine both roots the boat in West Coast geography and commemorates a significant chapter of naval sacrifice, which is consistent with long‑standing warship naming traditions.
HMCS Quadra
Quadra Island, in the Discovery Islands region, carries historical resonance through its name and proximity to key coastal routes. As a submarine name, “Quadra” evokes maritime exploration and coastal complexity, fitting for a platform that must operate covertly amid straits, channels, and archipelagic terrain.
HMCS Avalon
Avalon refers to the Avalon Peninsula, projecting into the North Atlantic from Newfoundland and historically central to transatlantic convoys, fisheries, and early settlements. For a submarine, “Avalon” conveys persistent presence at the front line of North Atlantic traffic and the defence of Canada’s eastern approaches without directly using the provincial name.
HMCS Cape Breton
Cape Breton Island has a long industrial and maritime history, including shipbuilding, coal ports, and naval presence. As a submarine name, it connects the boat to Canada’s working maritime heritage on the Atlantic coast and reinforces its role in protecting sea lanes and coastal infrastructure.
HMCS Anticosti
Anticosti Island sits at the mouth of the St. Lawrence River, effectively guarding the gateway to Canada’s interior waterways and major ports. Naming a submarine “Anticosti” highlights a mission centred on monitoring and securing key approaches to Quebec and Ontario’s economic heartland.
HMCS Sable
Sable Island is famous as the “Graveyard of the Atlantic,” a hazardous sandbar whose wreck history is deeply embedded in maritime lore. For a submarine, “Sable” is an evocative name: it suggests a stealthy, elusive presence in dangerous waters, turning an area once notorious for ship losses into a symbol of controlled, covert naval power.
HMCS Magdalen
The Magdalen Islands (Îles de la Madeleine) lie in the Gulf of St. Lawrence and represent a distinctive francophone and Acadian maritime community. As a submarine name, “Magdalen” adds regional and cultural depth to the fleet, while signalling a role in the Gulf—monitoring shipping, fisheries, and approaches to the St. Lawrence in a complex oceanographic environment.
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Obviously this is massive speculation and simply exploring the naming concept - and not axe grinding any particular naming approach, other than to chose a name with Canadian history and/or heritage.
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A naming convention I know they wouldn’t adopt because they are too cowardly to name things after people, but I think would have some merit would be to name them after some of the RCN fallen.
For example HMCS Saunders after the sailor killed bringing the Victorias to Canada in 2004. HMCS Crabbe, HMCS Harman, HMCS Hardy, HMCD Partanen, HMCS Boudreau, HMCS Hutton, HMCS Galloway, HMCS Stringer all for the Kootenay Explosion. HMCS Pyke and HMCS Cowbrough for the Cyclone crash in 2020, and HMCS Applin for the recent rib accident. Other names/incidents could easily be substituted in, there is 4400 dead in WWII alone.
For example HMCS Saunders after the sailor killed bringing the Victorias to Canada in 2004. HMCS Crabbe, HMCS Harman, HMCS Hardy, HMCD Partanen, HMCS Boudreau, HMCS Hutton, HMCS Galloway, HMCS Stringer all for the Kootenay Explosion. HMCS Pyke and HMCS Cowbrough for the Cyclone crash in 2020, and HMCS Applin for the recent rib accident. Other names/incidents could easily be substituted in, there is 4400 dead in WWII alone.
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