Hear alot from the cadets but hardly ever hear from CIC's. I am in the porcess of component transfer from PRES to CIC. Are there any CIC here who have transfered? I am interested to hear some of the experiences. Frankly, I am not happy with PRES and my unit, but am happy and proud to wear the uniform. CIC will be a change but am looking to hear the ups and downs of it all.
Transfer from PRes to CIC Officer?
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Go here: , Cadets / CIC Fourum, and type "CIC Officer" in the Search box. You'll get many hits, most of which are germane to your question.
Best of luck to you.
Best of luck to you.
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Depending on the unit you end up serving in you could find it similar to the P. Res. or very different. The similarities would be that you're essentially running a training establishment that operates part-time. You're delivering courses (four of them at a time in a cadet unit), providing logistical and administrative support, leading personnel, and all of the other usual bits.
The differences are that the scale is likely to be smaller unless you're going from a very small P. Res unit to a very large cadet corps. The level of specialty of the officers is lower -- the officers will virtually all be generalist CIC officers rather than specialist Log Os (e.g.). The level of support (financial, personnel, and equipment) will be lower. And, while most units will have some excellent senior cadets in the 'NCM" positions, you'll probably find that officers are doing much of th work that would be done by the NCMs in a P. Res. unit. (To illustrate, in my experience the Administration Officer of a cadet unit also does much of the work that could be done by the RMS clerks in a P. Res unit.)
The biggest difference is that you're training people from 12 to 18 years old, and they bring their own particular issues to the table in addition to most of those that NCMs bring. If you like it, you'll probably love it. But if you don't, it may prove a miserable time.
My stock comment to anyone considering remustering into CIC is that P. Res. experience in any capacity will be very valuable to you and to your unit. One of the biggest shortcomings in the CIC as a whole is the lack of opportunity to experience much of the greater CF culture (because of the relative isolation of most cadet units), and a member who has already had that opportunity has a lot to share.
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Rage, it may just be me but it seems the previous posts assumed you held an officerial position within your PRes unit. As a private you wouldn't have caught on to what the typical Res officer does.
However I must say I agree wholeheartedly that any experience gained through the reserves would be a mighty plus to a cadet unit/squadron.
I find myself in much the same position you are. However instead of 'downgrading' in the military sense, I've applied to RMC. If that doesn't fall through though I too will consider becoming a member of the CIC... and not to offend anyone involved in the cadet movement, but it kind of hurts 'downgrading' like that, eh? But as previously stated, it is an extremely worthy organization.
However I must say I agree wholeheartedly that any experience gained through the reserves would be a mighty plus to a cadet unit/squadron.
I find myself in much the same position you are. However instead of 'downgrading' in the military sense, I've applied to RMC. If that doesn't fall through though I too will consider becoming a member of the CIC... and not to offend anyone involved in the cadet movement, but it kind of hurts 'downgrading' like that, eh? But as previously stated, it is an extremely worthy organization.
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Bob Dylan said:
If you feel that the downgrade from private (if there is such a thing) "hurts", well, nobody will force you to do it. If you decide to be a CIC officer it should be because that's what you want to do, otherwise I'm afraid you mightn't enjoy it much. I guess I would compare it to wanting to join the navy because you love the sea but instead ending up as a vehicle tech in the army -- same Forces, but you might not find what you were looking for in your new trade. On the other hand, you might discover that you love working on vehicles and forget that you ever wanted to do anything else. By all means give it a try -- I'm sure that most units would very much welcome your help!
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That's a good comparison, yes. I don't think you quite understood what I meant by 'downgrading'. As previously stated, CIC is a wonderful organization which I admire. However, like previously stated, there is less personnel, less funding and less experience.
So let me try again: I began as a cadet and progressed into the PRes, where everything is done on a much larger scale. So to go back to cadets is, in that sense, a step down.
Regardless, I look forward to serving wherever I end up to the best of my abilities!
So let me try again: I began as a cadet and progressed into the PRes, where everything is done on a much larger scale. So to go back to cadets is, in that sense, a step down.
Regardless, I look forward to serving wherever I end up to the best of my abilities!
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At this point it could go very quickly, or it could be a while. With pers who have served in the Forces before the verification of former service seems to be a big holdup. When I came back as a CIC officer my enrolment took well over a year, and a lot of that was because of my former service. Nothing noteworthy in it, good or bad, but it seems to have taken a long time to dig up the files that had to be dug up.
But all that was before my medical and interview, so if you've had those then my guess is you're getting very close to being sworn in.
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I used to be a CIC, served from 1998 until late 2005, then did a component transfer to Pres as NCM, and frankly, it was the best move I ever did for me.
CIC is a great movement, don't get me wrong, I met allot of great people, and might me in as adviser next year.
but you must consider that you will be doing allot of free time for the organisation as a CIC is paid around 23 days per year, the least I did at my cadet corp was around 42-43,
you will have allot of planing and allot of paperwork to do on your own time, plus all the extra asked by your CO.
Working with cadet is really a great experience, and if you can share what you have learn your will benefit it even more, seeing those kid lighten up because you were able to show them that they can achieve goals they could not even imagine, or to see them having their spirit high because you believe in them is priceless.
you will fall on imbecile CIC and will fall on great CIC, but that's like any other organisation.
Its not an easy job, but it was worth it. I have learn allot from it.
If you have any question pm me and we will talk.
CIC is a great movement, don't get me wrong, I met allot of great people, and might me in as adviser next year.
but you must consider that you will be doing allot of free time for the organisation as a CIC is paid around 23 days per year, the least I did at my cadet corp was around 42-43,
you will have allot of planing and allot of paperwork to do on your own time, plus all the extra asked by your CO.
Working with cadet is really a great experience, and if you can share what you have learn your will benefit it even more, seeing those kid lighten up because you were able to show them that they can achieve goals they could not even imagine, or to see them having their spirit high because you believe in them is priceless.
you will fall on imbecile CIC and will fall on great CIC, but that's like any other organisation.
Its not an easy job, but it was worth it. I have learn allot from it.
If you have any question pm me and we will talk.
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As per the topic at hand, I was a PRes for 3 1/2 years in the artillery(88-91), and had to resign due to a bum medical(heart murmurs are a pain in the $#@). How will that outcome affect my app. for CIC? I am at present a 36 year old professional who has a comfortable job and a family.. and no gym membership. I hear from members inside that the phys. fit. req. are the same as the forces applicants and that could kybosh my app. process immediatly. Not to mention the 3 1/2 years of sitting on the non business end of a loaded 105mm Howitzer all summer with inadequate hearing protection( anyone remember those cheap ear defenders they used to issue?)totally screwed my hearing..not that my present profession of locomotive engineer helps. Is the current medical/physical requirements for CIC the same as the PRes forces et al?
When I went in for my medical, the exact words from CFRC people was alot of CIC applicants are held together by duct tape. If you are interested in CIC, I would suggest going through the process & see what happens. Remember that this is not combat arms it is the supervision & administration of the cadet movement promoting youth to become upstanding citizens of this country. Not to mention promoting leadership amongst youth.
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Thanks for the reply..it made me feel a little better! My app. is in process but I havent had the medical done yet. I was told that the C.O is trying to fast track my app. for admin purposes( I am currently assigned as a Trg O for the Cdt unit) and he would love to see me in uniform. I guess the years are starting to show on me and I was worried that the CFRC would reject me for the younger versions coming out of the cadet programs instead( possible still ). Ubique
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I am sorry, I do not understand what all that stuff means. (Railroader..not a doctor!!)
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Context helps. Annex E doesn't explain the codes, because it's in Chapt 3. Information overload.gun runner said:
http://www.forces.gc.ca/health/policies/med_standards/engraph/cfp154_chap3_e.asp
V - Visual Acuity (do you need glasses)
CV - Colour Vision (colourblind?)
H - Hearing (eh? what was that?)
G - Geographical Factor (how your health reacts to local climate/flora/fauna)
O - Occupational Factor (how your health reacts to doing the job)
A - Air Factor (ability to operate an aircraft A5 means qualified to be a passenger)
Usually the higher the number, the stricter the requirement (1 across the board would be for stuff like astronauts)
On the whole though, if your heart troubles don't prevent you from doing a CIC job (and that would be up to the Surgeon General's office to decide, based on your medical), then I don't see why you'd have any problems transferring. It's more a "is he/she fit for this job, yes/no?", rather than "can we slot in some young buck instead?".
When I was working at the CFRC we had a number of CICs not meet the medical categories. It wasn't a problem, we sent their files onto the Regional Cadet Support Unit and if they wanted the applicant they just waived the medical requirments.
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for example, in 1998 when I joined, I was not fit, to join the forces, for a medical reason, but I was enrolled any way as CIC are always in need of officer,
and don't forgot this, if your are at a point that you have to deal with the CFRC, it means, that a unit CO has shown interest into having you on his team. It is not like the regs or the reserve. Usually the place are offered to people who had shown interest in a cadet unit, and has spoken with the CO and the CO has given you a thumbs up.
that little thing is important, and lets face it. CIC does not require that much of "fit people". I have seen some CIC with, special medical thing that would have never passed in regs or Pres.
and don't forgot this, if your are at a point that you have to deal with the CFRC, it means, that a unit CO has shown interest into having you on his team. It is not like the regs or the reserve. Usually the place are offered to people who had shown interest in a cadet unit, and has spoken with the CO and the CO has given you a thumbs up.
that little thing is important, and lets face it. CIC does not require that much of "fit people". I have seen some CIC with, special medical thing that would have never passed in regs or Pres.
That is because there must be an established position at a cadet corps or squadron. The actual recommendation to enrol in the CF CIC is a responsibility of the civilian League Sponsor who under QR and O cadets " is responsible for recommending suitable persons for enrolment in the CF and employment as cadet instructors" . The process begins with being accepted at the local corps/squadron by the sponsoring committee and the commanding officer. The enrollment paper work is approved by both before it is forwarded to the RCSU and onward to CFRC.mysteriousmind said:
That being said, it is desirable and important that as a member of the CF one "looks the part". After all the aim of the cadet program includes "promote physical fitness".
Yes, there are some extreme body types in the CF CIC, but there are as many extreme body types wandering around bases, stations, and ships. In the cadet world sometimes the person that steps up to the plate in many communities has all of the attributes ... but ocassionally doesn't look the part - but without them the corps/squadron would be without leadership.
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