US Presidential Election 2020

[Brad Sallows]

>I didn't mean between the sheets.

Neither did I.  I meant the allegation that he had one of his girlfriends blow a friend while Kennedy watched.

Powerful men often turn out to be scumbags.  Trump talked about grabbing women by the pussy.  According to Tara Reade, Biden actually did that.  A couple of people have written articles claiming they believe Reade but will vote for Biden anyways.

Be easier if everyone just stopped doing two things:

1) Acting puzzled that some people will vote for a candidate - directly or, in our system, indirectly - irrespective of the shortcomings of the candidate; what really matters is control of the levers: president, parliament, whatever.

2) Pretending that style - a facade of respectability - matters.

The election isn't Trump vs Biden, or indecency vs decency.  It's whatever conservatives imagine they're trying to conserve against a Democratic party in which the most activist sub-factions are calling the shots.  The activists are pretty bold right now, and all their tantrums, censorship, shaming, etc are on open display and widely reported.

 

[Remius]

Did anyone watch the video of the POTUS getTing off Marine 1 when he returned from the Tulsa rally?

He looked completely defeated...

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/donald-trump-helicopter-walk_n_5ef00de1c5b676360572df00?ri18n=true

 

[QV]

Did anyone watch the video of the POTUS getTing off Marine 1 when he returned from the Tulsa rally?

He looked completely defeated...

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/donald-trump-helicopter-walk_n_5ef00de1c5b676360572df00?ri18n=true

He spoke in front of a crowd nonstop for almost two hours.  He's 74 yrs old.  Tired maybe?

 

[mariomike]

Tired maybe?

Furious maybe?
https://www.google.com/search?biw=1280&bih=641&tbs=qdr%3Aw&sxsrf=ALeKk030bMWOu73uF7asJNeq-HWZbIqlgQ%3A1592843399120&ei=h9zwXob1Br-FwbkP16-g6A8&q=trump+furious&oq=trump+furious&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQDFAAWABgppYDaABwAHgAgAEAiAEAkgEAmAEAqgEHZ3dzLXdpeg&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwjG1PKH7JXqAhW_QjABHdcXCP0Q4dUDCAs#spf=1592843453137

 

[Jarnhamar]

If Trump is managing to get teenagers to put their attention on politics instead of eating tide soap pods then well done.

 

[dimsum]

He spoke in front of a crowd nonstop for almost two hours.  He's 74 yrs old.  Tired maybe?

I just realized that this is the first time media has shown him with tie undone.  Regardless of the reasoning, that's a bad look. 

 

[mariomike]

< snip > age is a concern in US politics.

So is Dementia.
https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk03mYjwshWeaFuBIxh6i40Vx9at4lQ%3A1592851559140&source=hp&ei=Z_zwXoj-BfeKytMPn9Gz8Ao&q=trump+dementia&oq=trump+&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQARgAMgQIIxAnMgQIIxAnMgcIABCDARBDMgQIABBDMgcIABCDARBDMgcIABCDARBDMgcIABCxAxBDMgUIABCDATIFCAAQgwEyBQgAEIMBOgUIABCxAzoCCABQhAtYnh1ghjloAHAAeACAAZYBiAH2BZIBAzAuNpgBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXo&sclient=psy-ab#spf=1592851567195

 

[blacktriangle]

Yes.  And have we ever seen any other president look that way?  In public, knowing the cameras were rolling.  He looked defeated.  Being old is not an excuse to be making since age is a concern in US politics. And he uses age to attack Biden a lot.

Biden likely has some significant cognitive issues. Trump may have some, but I'd say most of his issues relate back to his poor attitude.

 

[blacktriangle]

So is Dementia.
https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk03mYjwshWeaFuBIxh6i40Vx9at4lQ%3A1592851559140&source=hp&ei=Z_zwXoj-BfeKytMPn9Gz8Ao&q=trump+dementia&oq=trump+&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQARgAMgQIIxAnMgQIIxAnMgcIABCDARBDMgQIABBDMgcIABCDARBDMgcIABCDARBDMgcIABCxAxBDMgUIABCDATIFCAAQgwEyBQgAEIMBOgUIABCxAzoCCABQhAtYnh1ghjloAHAAeACAAZYBiAH2BZIBAzAuNpgBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXo&sclient=psy-ab#spf=1592851567195

"My name is Joe Biden. I'm a Democratic candidate for the United States Senate"

 

[mariomike]

Biden likely has some significant cognitive issues. Trump may have some,

I'm not a brain specialist, so I'll take your word for it.

Maybe "Trump Derangement Syndrome" ( TDS ) is pretending all of the last three and a half years is perfectly acceptable behavior for an American president?

I mentioned that Eisenhower and John F. Kennedy did not behave like that in public. I stand by that.

Be interesting if Joe Biden rapidly declines and does indeed lose his mind. "The Dems" can then say, "Nothing to see here." "He's a different kind of individual." "He's not traditional." "That's just Biden being Biden." They can give the same unwavering support as maga.

 

[Underway]

Biden likely has some significant cognitive issues. Trump may have some, but I'd say most of his issues relate back to his poor attitude.

Didn't stop Regan.  You have a good team and that shields you from a lot of stuff.

 

[mariomike]

Biden likely has some significant cognitive issues. Trump may have some,

Since we are playing doctor here,

We *still* know very, very little about Donald Trump's medical history
https://army.ca/forums/threads/131695/post-1614348.html#msg1614348

For what it's worth, Joe Biden released the details of a recent physical in December 2019.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/17/politics/joe-biden-medical-history/index.html

 

[Brad Sallows]

The concerns over Biden stem from his recent inarticulate performances, including some in which all he has to do is talk coherently to a camera.  No medical judgement needed.

 

[Retired AF Guy]

The concerns over Biden stem from his recent inarticulate performances, including some in which all he has to do is talk coherently to a camera.  No medical judgement needed.

Heck, every time Trump speaks he is inarticulate!! I've heard better speeches from high school debates.

 

[Jarnhamar]

USA 2020 presidential election theme song right here.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/hdxkiq/two_people_having_a_political_discussion_and/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Not surprising Trump has alienated some Republicans, it was pretty clear Trump is neither Republican or Democrat, he is a party of one. As for being divisive a lot of people on the right felt that was also a fault of Obama, he was just slicker at it. I can imagine how the press and social media would have reacted to Truman as he had a rep to for being rude, bad habits and short temper, I suspect he would be very much like Trump if he had had access to Twitter. 

 

[PuckChaser]

Thread split complete. Only went back a week or so. If anyone sees posts relating to the election in the Presidency thread, please Report to Mod and we can get them moved to their new home.

 

[Blackadder1916]

. . .  I can imagine how the press and social media would have reacted to Truman as he had a rep to for being rude, bad habits and short temper, I suspect he would be very much like Trump if he had had access to Twitter.

The difference between "The Buck Stops Here" and "I don't take responsibility at all"

While President Truman may have been blunt and sometimes abrasive in manner and at the time of leaving office was one of the most unpopular politicians in America what has not been disputed is his leadership, his toughness, sense of right and wrong, decisiveness and most importantly, loyalty to the American people and love of country.  One, a failed haberdasher who may have been a political hack in his early party machine days, rose to discharge the duties of President beyond the expectations of everyone; the other, whose entire life had been  the pursuit of lining his own pockets, regardless of consequences to others, has so far performed as expected (and that's not a good thing).

 

[FJAG]

For some light reading:

From pandering to Putin to abusing allies and ignoring his own advisers, Trump's phone calls alarm US officials
By Carl Bernstein, CNN
Mon June 29, 2020

(CNN)In hundreds of highly classified phone calls with foreign heads of state, President Donald Trump was so consistently unprepared for discussion of serious issues, so often outplayed in his conversations with powerful leaders like Russian President Vladimir Putin and Turkish President Recep Erdogan, and so abusive to leaders of America's principal allies, that the calls helped convince some senior US officials -- including his former secretaries of state and defense, two national security advisers and his longest-serving chief of staff -- that the President himself posed a danger to the national security of the United States, according to White House and intelligence officials intimately familiar with the contents of the conversations.

The calls caused former top Trump deputies -- including national security advisers H.R. McMaster and John Bolton, Defense Secretary James Mattis, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, and White House chief of staff John Kelly, as well as intelligence officials -- to conclude that the President was often "delusional," as two sources put it, in his dealings with foreign leaders. The sources said there was little evidence that the President became more skillful or competent in his telephone conversations with most heads of state over time. Rather, he continued to believe that he could either charm, jawbone or bully almost any foreign leader into capitulating to his will, and often pursued goals more attuned to his own agenda than what many of his senior advisers considered the national interest.

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Read the rest here.

Bolton talks about some of these matters.

:cheers:

 

[MilEME09]

For some light reading:

Read the rest here.

Bolton talks about some of these matters.

:cheers:

I wonder if it wasn't an election year if they would try to invoke section 4 of the 25th amendment. This really sets the stage for it.