Wearing of Medals Questions

[ronleb]

Hello,

Can any point me to something that states that once announcements have been made on awards such as MMM or MSM ribbons can be worn? I've looked with no luck.


Thx

 

[OldSolduer]

Ribbons may be worn once the individual is informed by the CoC. CANFORGENs announce Honours and Awards.

The actual medal may not be worn until it is presented.

 

[chowchow1]

Ribbons may be worn once the individual is informed by the CoC. CANFORGENs announce Honours and Awards.

The actual medal may not be worn until it is presented.

I, and two other members from my OMLT team, were awarded the MSM and were not allowed to wear the medal, or ribbon, until it was presented by the GG. This may have been a unit thing, or just people not being sure of the actual process. I would look for some hard facts on this before wearing a ribbon for a medal that had not been yet awarded.

 

[OldSolduer]

I, and two other members from my OMLT team, were awarded the MSM and were not allowed to wear the medal, or ribbon, until it was presented by the GG. This may have been a unit thing, or just people not being sure of the actual process. I would look for some hard facts on this before wearing a ribbon for a medal that had not been yet awarded.

You may be right on both counts. When I received word that I was awarded the MB, one of our senior RMS clerks dug up the regs. I could wear the ribbon but not the medal until the GG presented it to me. I will try to find the regulations.

 

[ronleb]

Awesome, thx everyone

RL

 

[Rifleman62]

Congratulations.

I, and two other members from my OMLT team, were awarded the MSM and were not allowed to wear the medal, or ribbon, until it was presented by the GG

The MSM is a national award therefore it will be published in the Canada Gazette, hence "gazetted". Once the award is gazetted, you may use the post nominals " M.S.M. "

I do not know how recent the announcement was, but will assume that your CO got a phone call from higher sending congrats to you for the award. A RO entry will follow plus several personal letters from several layers up in your chain of command.  A letter from the Governor General Of Canada chancellery office congratulating you and asking how you want your name etc to appear on the scroll, and stating info on the Investiture Ceremony will follow.

The Canada Gazette Part 1 entry will occur concurrently/soon after you were notified.

You can wear the undress ribbon on you ribbon bar as soon as the chain of command notifies you of the award. In fact they should have got a ribbon made up and presented to you, with photo, at work. Does not have to be a parade. You will, along with a guest be attending an investiture where all the formal stuff will happen.

Have the unit clerk open up a Conduct Sheet for the award, or to add the award entry to previous behavior where you got caught!!

You will not be wearing the medal of course, cause the GG's still got it. Buy a miniature now if you would like.

Wearing the ribbon of an award that has been gazetted is a long standing tradition/custom/practice. Thousands of service pers in WWII, especially air crew,  wore a gazetted ribbon and unfortunately never lived to attend an investiture. Whoever is saying you can't wear it, is wrong.

Years from now your relatives can go to the GG's web site and search you name and it will pop up. Even for the Diamond Jubilee Medal!!

You are now part of Canada's history. Congratulations again!

P.S.You should search for the Canada Gazette Part 1 entry to keep as a souvenir.

Photo att is the Canada Gazette Part 1, Government House promulgation of several foreign awards incl US MSM's. (I knew a Vunak. Wonder if it is the same.)

 

[ronleb]

Rifleman62,

Thank you very much!

RL

 

[chowchow1]

Buy a miniature now if you would like.

For the MSM, the miniature medal itself is given out in a package after the ceremony.

Rifleman, thats a lot of info, and even though I have gone through the procedure, I didnt know half of it! It all happens so fast that one just sort of feels like they are along for the ride.

Thanks for the post.

 

[bdcasey916]

Unless something has changed since I was awarded my MMV in 2011, there is no mini medal included in the package after the ceremony. All that was in my package was the fancy box for the medal, one ribbon, a lapel pin and the large citation signed by the GG.

Congrats! The ceremony is an amazing time!

 

[PuckChaser]

Unless something has changed since I was awarded my MMV in 2011, there is no mini medal included in the package after the ceremony. All that was in my package was the fancy box for the medal, one ribbon, a lapel pin and the large citation signed by the GG.

Minis are on your own dime, although devices like the MiD include one for your minis as well.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Stumbled on this while looking for something else:

CANFORGEN 003/09 CMP 002/09 081950Z JAN 09

APPLICATION FOR SERVICE/CAMPAIGN MEDALS

Unclassified

Para 4 states:

CF MEMBERS ARE NOT AUTHORIZED TO WEAR UNDRESS RIBBONS FOR SERVICE OR CAMPAIGN MEDALS AND THE CD UNTIL THEY HAVE BEEN PRESENTED WITH THE ACTUAL MEDAL. THE WEARING OF UNDRESS RIBBON AND MINIATURE AS WELL AS THE USE OF POSTNOMINALS IS AUTHORIZED FOR ORDERS AND DECORATIONS (MSM AND ABOVE) FROM THE MOMENT THE RECIPIENT IS OFFICIALLY NOTIFIED.

 

[cupper]

Stumbled on this while looking for something else:

CANFORGEN 003/09 CMP 002/09 081950Z JAN 09

APPLICATION FOR SERVICE/CAMPAIGN MEDALS

Unclassified

Para 4 states:

CF MEMBERS ARE NOT AUTHORIZED TO WEAR UNDRESS RIBBONS FOR SERVICE OR CAMPAIGN MEDALS AND THE CD UNTIL THEY HAVE BEEN PRESENTED WITH THE ACTUAL MEDAL. THE WEARING OF UNDRESS RIBBON AND MINIATURE AS WELL AS THE USE OF POSTNOMINALS IS AUTHORIZED FOR ORDERS AND DECORATIONS (MSM AND ABOVE) FROM THE MOMENT THE RECIPIENT IS OFFICIALLY NOTIFIED.

Isn't that contradictory? You are not authorized to wear ribbons until presented with the medal, but you can wear ribbons and use the postnominal after notification.

:facepalm:

 

[dapaterson]

Isn't that contradictory? You are not authorized to wear ribbons until presented with the medal, but you can wear ribbons and use the postnominal after notification.

:facepalm:

It's pretty clear to me.  For service medals, campaign medals and the CD, you must wait until the medal is presented to wear the ribbon.

For Orders and Decorations (MSM, MMM, OMM, CMM, OC...) you may wear the ribbon or miniature as soon as you are officially notified.  Generally, those will be published in the Canada Gazette (and announced by CANFORGEN shortly thereafter).


So, if you're three years overdue for your CD, you are not permitted to wear the ribbon until the medal is presented.  If you are awarded the Victoria Cross, you can wear the ribbon or miniature once it's announced, in advance of your trip to Rideau Hall.

 

[cupper]

It's pretty clear to me.  For service medals, campaign medals and the CD, you must wait until the medal is presented to wear the ribbon.

For Orders and Decorations (MSM, MMM, OMM, CMM, OC...) you may wear the ribbon or miniature as soon as you are officially notified.  Generally, those will be published in the Canada Gazette (and announced by CANFORGEN shortly thereafter).


So, if you're three years overdue for your CD, you are not permitted to wear the ribbon until the medal is presented.  If you are awarded the Victoria Cross, you can wear the ribbon or miniature once it's announced, in advance of your trip to Rideau Hall.

OK. I missed the distinction. Sorry about that.

 

[Journeyman]

The absence of bar(s) on my CD was noted by a BGen a short time ago.  They'd never been presented, so I guess I did the right thing by not just putting them up.  ~whew~

Mind you, telling him that since I'm not in NDHQ the deployments are the only ones that mattered to me probably wasn't the right response anyway. 

 

[dapaterson]

The absence of bar(s) on my CD was noted by a BGen a short time ago.  They'd never been presented, so I guess I did the right thing by not just putting them up.  ~whew~

There's also that good conduct thing... or at least not getting caught.

 

[Journeyman]

Oh, I admitted it taking 15 years to get the CD....and also the great ceremony with which I'd found it chucked in my mail slot.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Unless something has changed since I was awarded my MMV in 2011, there is no mini medal included in the package after the ceremony. All that was in my package was the fancy box for the medal, one ribbon, a lapel pin and the large citation signed by the GG.

Congrats! The ceremony is an amazing time!

Let's see the citation.

Don't be shy. I need to see what real heroes do (as opposed to wankers that wear that label thanks to a misguided press - like that idiot Lance Armstrong) for a change, just to restore my faith in the human condition.  Please. :nod:

 

[bdcasey916]

Let's see the citation.

Don't be shy. I need to see what real heroes do (as opposed to wankers that wear that label thanks to a misguided press - like that idiot Lance Armstrong) for a change, just to restore my faith in the human condition.  Please. :nod:

Of course, I not be the smartest by times, but I am certainly not an idiot like Lance Armstrong.  Here is my citation from the GG's website, http://www.gg.ca/honour.aspx?id=90&t=10&ln=Casey

If you want, I can show you the picture, I just wasn't sure if I should post it on here

When I get home, I can also take a picture of my citation I recieved at La Citadelle during the ceremony and show that as well 

Let me know

 

[Eye In The Sky]

BZ!