Canadian Foreign Interference (General)

[Good2Golf]

No disagreement from me. But if sued, can he use those sources as a defence against libel? I don’t know.

I have a sense he is covered by someone+…

 

[dimsum]

Poilievre promises to release names of MPs who participated in foreign interference, Liberals slam as 'reckless proclamation'

Pierre Poilievre would release the names of MPs "deemed to have knowingly participated in foreign interference."

nationalpost.com

On Oct. 16 he issued a statement calling on Trudeau to release the names of “all MPs” known to have collaborated with foreign interference.

Asked by the National Post whether Poilievre would release names should Conservatives form government, which many polls suggest may happen whenever a federal election is called, a spokesman said “yes.”

“For those who are deemed to have knowingly participated in foreign interference, yes,” wrote Poilievre spokesperson Sebastian Skamski.

Emphasis mine. So it’s interesting that Poilievre tells Trudeau to release the names of all MPs (remember, some were unwitting) but if the Tories form govt, they will release the names who knowingly participated, or witting.

So why didn’t they tell Trudeau to do the same, and not all MPs? Or alternatively, why wouldn’t they release the names of all MPs as per their Oct 16 statement? Why the difference?

His office has not yet responded to questions about how a future Poilievre-led government might seek to release such information, given the sensitives around sharing top-secret information and the risks posed to those collecting it.

…exactly my point in this thread.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Poilievre promises to release names of MPs who participated in foreign interference, Liberals slam as 'reckless proclamation'

Opposition Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre would release the names of members of Parliament “deemed to have knowingly participated in foreign interference” should his party form government, his office says.

 

[George Wallace]

So why didn’t they tell Trudeau to do the same, and not all MPs? Or alternatively, why wouldn’t they release the names of all MPs as per their Oct 16 statement? Why the difference?

Trudeau is acting like a spoiled five year old and playing political games. He has shown that he has no leadership abilities, and deflects all the time to blame others for his failures. The reality is Trudeau FAILED. There is/was no requirement for any of the Opposition Leaders to get higher Clearances to Read In on this matter. It is a "matter of National Sovereignty/Defence" and it is the job of the Government (Liberals) and the Prime Minister to take action; not play political games in Parliament. A huge FAILURE on Trudeau's part.
The question everyone should be asking, is why has Justin Trudeau, who has a List, not taken action and had the RCMP make arrests and Charge any of these guilty parties? KISS

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Trudeau is acting like a spoiled five year old and playing political games. He has shown that he has no leadership abilities, and deflects all the time to blame others for his failures. The reality is Trudeau FAILED. There is/was no requirement for any of the Opposition Leaders to get higher Clearances to Read In on this matter. It is a "matter of National Sovereignty/Defence" and it is the job of the Government (Liberals) and the Prime Minister to take action; not play political games in Parliament. A huge FAILURE on Trudeau's part.
The question everyone should be asking, is why has Justin Trudeau, who has a List, not taken action and had the RCMP make arrests and Charge any of these guilty parties? KISS

What? You want him to initiate his own arrest?

 

[George Wallace]

What? You want him to initiate his own arrest?

Wouldn't that be nice.
The Americans keep asking to find out who is on "Epstein's List". We have our own questions as to who is on "Trudeau's List".

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Wouldn't that be nice.
The Americans keep asking to find out who is on "Epstein's List". We have our own questions as to who is on "Trudeau's List".

I think that could be a Venn diagram George.

 

[brihard]

The question everyone should be asking, is why has Justin Trudeau, who has a List, not taken action and had the RCMP make arrests and Charge any of these guilty parties? KISS

At any level, municipal, provincial, or federal, the government does not have that kind of operational control over police. In a matter like that, police would be presenting the evidence they have to federal prosecutors, who would do their normal thing gauging likelihood of conviction, public interest, etc.

Attorney General consent is required to prosecute under FISOIA. So, the AG can decide NOT to charge and prosecute, but they cannot compel police/crown TO charge and prosecute.

 

[RangerRay]

More shenanigans.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cse-cyber-threats-china-1.7367719

 

[dimsum]

Trudeau is acting like a spoiled five year old and playing political games. He has shown that he has no leadership abilities, and deflects all the time to blame others for his failures. The reality is Trudeau FAILED. There is/was no requirement for any of the Opposition Leaders to get higher Clearances to Read In on this matter. It is a "matter of National Sovereignty/Defence" and it is the job of the Government (Liberals) and the Prime Minister to take action; not play political games in Parliament. A huge FAILURE on Trudeau's part.
The question everyone should be asking, is why has Justin Trudeau, who has a List, not taken action and had the RCMP make arrests and Charge any of these guilty parties? KISS

This was probably before you came back on this forum but there have been several pages of comments why doing so may not be the best idea.

 

[dimsum]

More shenanigans.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cse-cyber-threats-china-1.7367719

The committee recommended CSE's cyber defence umbrella be extended to cover all federal entities — something CSE has said isn't happening yet.

Xavier would not say whether any of the compromised agencies and departments flagged in Wednesdays's report are the ones that don't use CSE's sensors.

"Yeah we're not going to comment on that," she said.

Yeah no shit.

 

[PuckChaser]

"The committee recommend that CSE exponentially increase its cyber defense umbrella to cover all government departments with no additional funding and consistently fighting against the "services" provided by Shared Services Canada."

 

[The Bread Guy]

For whatever it's worth ....

PM says he's trying to get Poilievre names of Tories linked to foreign interference

OTTAWA - Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has asked national security services to find a way to share information with Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre about foreign interference affecting his caucus, he

www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

 

[George Wallace]

I do find it interesting, that Trudeau is still harping on Poilievre getting the Clearance necessary to be Read In on these documents, so that he, Poilievre, can take action and sanction Conservative MPs and Candidates, all the while Trudeau, having knowledge of who is listed, has done nothing of what he suggests Poilievre do within the Conservative Party, in his own Liberal Party.

 

[Good2Golf]

For whatever it's worth ....

PM says he's trying to get Poilievre names of Tories linked to foreign interference

OTTAWA - Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has asked national security services to find a way to share information with Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre about foreign interference affecting his caucus, he

www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

…there’s a rumbling that the US may declassify names and provide Poilievre with an unclassified/FOUO list of compromised parliamentarians, which would be entirely up to the US if it is the source of the intelligence.

Things may get spicy in the coming days/weeks.

 

[QV]

…there’s a rumbling that the US may declassify names and provide Poilievre with an unclassified/FOUO list of compromised parliamentarians, which would be entirely up to the US if it is the source of the intelligence.

Things may get spicy in the coming days/weeks.

If this happens, we can guess with high assurance what party is almost exclusively compromised.

 

[Good2Golf]

If this happens, we can guess with high assurance what party is almost exclusively compromised.

We’ll see how quickly JT actually publishes names, for fear of more names getting out than were just on the NSICOP report…

 

[GK .Dundas]

If this happens, we can guess with high assurance what party is almost exclusively compromised.

Not necessarily, I could actually see a case to made for more then a couple of names to to be added to such a list depending on who is actually issuing such a list and what their motivations are.
A list like that doesn't have to be accurate to to cause havoc.

 

[OldSolduer]

If this happens, we can guess with high assurance what party is almost exclusively compromised.

You don’t need to turn them all. A few key people with access to the leaders is all that’s really needed.

 

[The Bread Guy]

…there’s a rumbling that the US may declassify names and provide Poilievre with an unclassified/FOUO list of compromised parliamentarians, which would be entirely up to the US if it is the source of the intelligence ...

If this is the case, and if it happens, it'll be interesting to see what PP & Co. would do with such a list - and with any people named on such a list, based on how much info is shared re: who's compromising whom & how.