Canadian Foreign Interference (General)

[Fishbone Jones]

Trudeau is acting like a spoiled five year old and playing political games. He has shown that he has no leadership abilities, and deflects all the time to blame others for his failures. The reality is Trudeau FAILED. There is/was no requirement for any of the Opposition Leaders to get higher Clearances to Read In on this matter. It is a "matter of National Sovereignty/Defence" and it is the job of the Government (Liberals) and the Prime Minister to take action; not play political games in Parliament. A huge FAILURE on Trudeau's part.
The question everyone should be asking, is why has Justin Trudeau, who has a List, not taken action and had the RCMP make arrests and Charge any of these guilty parties? KISS

What? You want him to initiate his own arrest?

 

[George Wallace]

What? You want him to initiate his own arrest?

Wouldn't that be nice.
The Americans keep asking to find out who is on "Epstein's List". We have our own questions as to who is on "Trudeau's List".

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Wouldn't that be nice.
The Americans keep asking to find out who is on "Epstein's List". We have our own questions as to who is on "Trudeau's List".

I think that could be a Venn diagram George.

 

[brihard]

The question everyone should be asking, is why has Justin Trudeau, who has a List, not taken action and had the RCMP make arrests and Charge any of these guilty parties? KISS

At any level, municipal, provincial, or federal, the government does not have that kind of operational control over police. In a matter like that, police would be presenting the evidence they have to federal prosecutors, who would do their normal thing gauging likelihood of conviction, public interest, etc.

Attorney General consent is required to prosecute under FISOIA. So, the AG can decide NOT to charge and prosecute, but they cannot compel police/crown TO charge and prosecute.

 

[RangerRay]

More shenanigans.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cse-cyber-threats-china-1.7367719

 

[dimsum]

Trudeau is acting like a spoiled five year old and playing political games. He has shown that he has no leadership abilities, and deflects all the time to blame others for his failures. The reality is Trudeau FAILED. There is/was no requirement for any of the Opposition Leaders to get higher Clearances to Read In on this matter. It is a "matter of National Sovereignty/Defence" and it is the job of the Government (Liberals) and the Prime Minister to take action; not play political games in Parliament. A huge FAILURE on Trudeau's part.
The question everyone should be asking, is why has Justin Trudeau, who has a List, not taken action and had the RCMP make arrests and Charge any of these guilty parties? KISS

This was probably before you came back on this forum but there have been several pages of comments why doing so may not be the best idea.

 

[dimsum]

More shenanigans.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cse-cyber-threats-china-1.7367719

The committee recommended CSE's cyber defence umbrella be extended to cover all federal entities — something CSE has said isn't happening yet.

Xavier would not say whether any of the compromised agencies and departments flagged in Wednesdays's report are the ones that don't use CSE's sensors.

"Yeah we're not going to comment on that," she said.

Yeah no shit.

 

[PuckChaser]

"The committee recommend that CSE exponentially increase its cyber defense umbrella to cover all government departments with no additional funding and consistently fighting against the "services" provided by Shared Services Canada."

 

[The Bread Guy]

For whatever it's worth ....

PM says he's trying to get Poilievre names of Tories linked to foreign interference

OTTAWA - Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has asked national security services to find a way to share information with Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre about foreign interference affecting his caucus, he

www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

 

[George Wallace]

I do find it interesting, that Trudeau is still harping on Poilievre getting the Clearance necessary to be Read In on these documents, so that he, Poilievre, can take action and sanction Conservative MPs and Candidates, all the while Trudeau, having knowledge of who is listed, has done nothing of what he suggests Poilievre do within the Conservative Party, in his own Liberal Party.

 

[Good2Golf]

For whatever it's worth ....

PM says he's trying to get Poilievre names of Tories linked to foreign interference

OTTAWA - Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has asked national security services to find a way to share information with Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre about foreign interference affecting his caucus, he

www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

…there’s a rumbling that the US may declassify names and provide Poilievre with an unclassified/FOUO list of compromised parliamentarians, which would be entirely up to the US if it is the source of the intelligence.

Things may get spicy in the coming days/weeks.

 

[QV]

…there’s a rumbling that the US may declassify names and provide Poilievre with an unclassified/FOUO list of compromised parliamentarians, which would be entirely up to the US if it is the source of the intelligence.

Things may get spicy in the coming days/weeks.

If this happens, we can guess with high assurance what party is almost exclusively compromised.

 

[Good2Golf]

If this happens, we can guess with high assurance what party is almost exclusively compromised.

We’ll see how quickly JT actually publishes names, for fear of more names getting out than were just on the NSICOP report…

 

[GK .Dundas]

If this happens, we can guess with high assurance what party is almost exclusively compromised.

Not necessarily, I could actually see a case to made for more then a couple of names to to be added to such a list depending on who is actually issuing such a list and what their motivations are.
A list like that doesn't have to be accurate to to cause havoc.

 

[OldSolduer]

If this happens, we can guess with high assurance what party is almost exclusively compromised.

You don’t need to turn them all. A few key people with access to the leaders is all that’s really needed.

 

[The Bread Guy]

…there’s a rumbling that the US may declassify names and provide Poilievre with an unclassified/FOUO list of compromised parliamentarians, which would be entirely up to the US if it is the source of the intelligence ...

If this is the case, and if it happens, it'll be interesting to see what PP & Co. would do with such a list - and with any people named on such a list, based on how much info is shared re: who's compromising whom & how.

 

[QV]

We’ll see how quickly JT actually publishes names, for fear of more names getting out than were just on the NSICOP report…

Perhaps the NSICOP report isn't a fulsome account of the depth and seriousness of the compromise.

 

[Good2Golf]

Perhaps the NSICOP report isn't a fulsome account of the depth and seriousness of the compromise.

I don’t think NSICOP is deliberately shirking its duties, and for as much of not a fan of his brother as I was for Ontario reasons, I think David McGuinty has been doing a worthy job as Chair of NSICOP from what I have heard. I just think that there is knowledge out there of the situation that even Canada and its agencies doesn’t have (or have ‘rights of source ownership’ of) the depth of knowledge about the depth/extent of compromise (more on the collaborator side, vs victim of influence) for a variety of reasons. I get the sense that in the coming weeks, we will hear more about Canadian citizens/not just parliamentarians who have been known to certain organizations as being able to be confirmed as having collaborated with China. I also get the sense that some will be (or pretend to be) shocked, but many will say ‘well yeah., tell us something we didn’t already know!’ There will also no doubt be some that we don’t hear about, but that for a number of reasons, some mentioned earlier, we may not hear about.

On verra…

 

[QV]

I don’t think NSICOP is deliberately shirking its duties, and for as much of not a fan of his brother as I was for Ontario reasons, I think David McGuinty has been doing a worthy job as Chair of NSICOP from what I have heard. I just think that there is knowledge out there of the situation that even Canada and its agencies doesn’t have (or have ‘rights of source ownership’ of) the depth of knowledge about the depth/extent of compromise (more on the collaborator side, vs victim of influence) for a variety of reasons. I get the sense that in the coming weeks, we will hear more about Canadian citizens/not just parliamentarians who have been known to certain organizations as being able to be confirmed as having collaborated with China. I also get the sense that some will be (or pretend to be) shocked, but many will say ‘well yeah., tell us something we didn’t already know!’ There will also no doubt be some that we don’t hear about, but that for a number of reasons, some mentioned earlier, we may not hear about.

On verra…

That part is where I was leaning.

 

[The Bread Guy]

... I just think that there is knowledge out there of the situation that even Canada and its agencies doesn’t have (or have ‘rights of source ownership’ of) the depth of knowledge about the depth/extent of compromise (more on the collaborator side, vs victim of influence) for a variety of reasons ...

Well put. I'd add the detail I've seen in the public info out there so far that some of this seems to be because while some people in some places seem to know some stuff, I haven't seen a credible or accessible explanation re: why the ultimate bosses can't seem to get even a consensus position.

I understand the political filters/fences in place re: people not wanting to know, but it also seems there's still a load of silos out there needing at least some mouse-holing to connect.