Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

[ArmyRick]

That's the easy way out of answering a tough question.

And the media grills him, the leader of the opposition but says sweet F all to the governing party.

Yeah whatever.

 

[Czech_pivo]

And the media grills him, the leader of the opposition but says sweet F all to the governing party.

Yeah whatever.

True, very true.

I can't see why both parties - Cons and Libs (the NDP and the BQ don't get a say in this, sorry but one's not an Official Party and the other is fully of Separatists), don't just sit and come up with an acceptable plan to move forward on this and build a respectable residence for the PM of this country.

 

[brihard]

And the media grills him, the leader of the opposition but says sweet F all to the governing party.

Yeah whatever.

What do you mean? Just a couple days ago the media was asking PM Carney what he intends to do with 24 Sussex. He simply answered.

 

[daftandbarmy]

What do you mean? Just a couple days ago the media was asking PM Carney what he intends to do with 24 Sussex. He simply answered.

I'm just really excited that we finally have an opportunity to see Canada's 'national igloo' come to life

 

[Seyek]

I was cautiously optimistic about 24 Sussex, but now I'm disappointed by this line from the PM website:

The project will restore the property as a secure, accessible, sustainable, and functional official residence and working venue for Canada’s prime ministers, while preserving its defining heritage character.

I don't think the building is significant in terms of architecture. I don't think most Canadians can even picture it in their head. It's not a national (or international) symbol of our country the way the White House is. The design and build competition should be open to demolishing the whole thing and building from scratch if the bidder wants. I'd almost prefer it be bulldozed to start with - but don't actually want to remove the ability to utilize what's there if that's practical. I think forcing the preservation of existing structure put too much constraint on what you can do with a new building and my understanding of anything historical is there's a ton of costs and challenges involved in preserving/restoring historical elements.

Re: the fundraising. Both Chretien and Harper offered to lead fundraising efforts only a couple years ago, so while Poilievre doesn't seem willing to even comment on it the last conservative PM would seem supportive of this idea. Carney also announced that donors would be public and limits on how much they can donate put in place, so there'll be some transparency.

Overall, good news to see we're finally doing something with it. This should have been solved years ago.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I just found out the Gov took 24 Sussex Dr by expropriation. The guy who owned it died inside refusing to give it up.

Let it burn. What a stain.

 

[Czech_pivo]

I was cautiously optimistic about 24 Sussex, but now I'm disappointed by this line from the PM website:



I don't think the building is significant in terms of architecture. I don't think most Canadians can even picture it in their head. It's not a national (or international) symbol of our country the way the White House is. The design and build competition should be open to demolishing the whole thing and building from scratch if the bidder wants. I'd almost prefer it be bulldozed to start with - but don't actually want to remove the ability to utilize what's there if that's practical. I think forcing the preservation of existing structure put too much constraint on what you can do with a new building and my understanding of anything historical is there's a ton of costs and challenges involved in preserving/restoring historical elements.

Re: the fundraising. Both Chretien and Harper offered to lead fundraising efforts only a couple years ago, so while Poilievre doesn't seem willing to even comment on it the last conservative PM would seem supportive of this idea. Carney also announced that donors would be public and limits on how much they can donate put in place, so there'll be some transparency.

Overall, good news to see we're finally doing something with it. This should have been solved years ago.

I think most Canadians can't picture it because its not been lived in for the last decade+. There's been zero pics of a PM standing in front of the residence meeting important leaders.

For example:






Classic case of 'Out of sight, out of mind.'

 

[MilEME09]

I think most Canadians can't picture it because its not been lived in for the last decade+. There's been zero pics of a PM standing in front of the residence meeting important leaders.

For example:

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Classic case of 'Out of sight, out of mind.'

To be fair, given the poor state it was in, i wouldnt either. Hopefully with restoration comes a future of proper maintenance on it.

 

[Czech_pivo]

To be fair, given the poor state it was in, i wouldnt either. Hopefully with restoration comes a future of proper maintenance on it.

You mean the opening of purse strings to adequately fund something 'proactive' from a maintenance perspective instead of the usual Canadian approach of 'reactive' funding?

Best example would be - Canadian's funding anything of public value is like a homeowner who changes their furnace air filter once every 10yrs because an air filter costs so much money and then they wonder why the life span on their furnace is only 14yrs instead of the usual 20yrs.

 

[Altair]

Pierre Poilievre was asked directly about 24 Sussex and he said he is more focused and concerned with the cost of living, economy, job creation, a deal with the USA, critical minerals, etc.

I feel like his response would have been different had the announcement/leak been "taxpayers on the hook for 60m" or whatever.

 

[ArmyRick]

I feel like his response would have been different had the announcement/leak been "taxpayers on the hook for 60m" or whatever.

You think he is unaware of the cost? Pierre pretty tight on the numbers.

He doesn't complain about every dollar spent by government, he just expects every dollar be spent responsibly and with accountability.

"I Feel" in other words, your guessing, and thats all it is.

 

[Altair]

You think he is unaware of the cost? Pierre pretty tight on the numbers.

He doesn't complain about every dollar spent by government, he just expects every dollar be spent responsibly and with accountability.

"I Feel" in other words, your guessing, and thats all it is.

I feel like the fundraising aspect of the it rather than the taxpayer aspect of it makes it a big ole nothing burger.

Or put another way.

A)Taxpayers on the hook for 60-100m to rebuild PMs residence. People get mad.

B)Funds for the PMs residence raised via fundraising. Meh.

But seeing as I don't have an alternate reality simulator, I have no way of knowing for sure.

 

[MilEME09]

You mean the opening of purse strings to adequately fund something 'proactive' from a maintenance perspective instead of the usual Canadian approach of 'reactive' funding?

Best example would be - Canadian's funding anything of public value is like a homeowner who changes their furnace air filter once every 10yrs because an air filter costs so much money and then they wonder why the life span on their furnace is only 14yrs instead of the usual 20yrs.

Wait so I shouldnt change my filters every six months? Incould of saved money and let the furnace be future mes problem!?

 

[Halifax Tar]

Wait so I shouldnt change my filters every six months? Incould of saved money and let the furnace be future mes problem!?

A true Liberal would expect filters to change themselves.

 

[Navy_Pete]

You think he is unaware of the cost? Pierre pretty tight on the numbers.

He doesn't complain about every dollar spent by government, he just expects every dollar be spent responsibly and with accountability.

"I Feel" in other words, your guessing, and thats all it is.

So we shouldn't have a safe, functional and secure residence for the leader of our country to live in and conduct official business? That's absurd.

Noticed Pierre isn't complaining about getting free residence in Stornoway, or the large amounts he spends as leader of opposition doing business. Both of those are just normal cost of Canadian democracy, and so is this.

This decision should have been made decades ago, nice to have a leader that will actually make a necessary decision. The fact that we pay a whack of money now for a building we can't use and is frankly an embarrassment is insane.

 

[MilEME09]

So we shouldn't have a safe, functional and secure residence for the leader of our country to live in and conduct official business? That's absurd.

Noticed Pierre isn't complaining about getting free residence in Stornoway, or the large amounts he spends as leader of opposition doing business. Both of those are just normal cost of Canadian democracy, and so is this.

This decision should have been made decades ago, nice to have a leader that will actually make a necessary decision. The fact that we pay a whack of money now for a building we can't use and is frankly an embarrassment is insane.

I'll give Carney props for finally pulling the trigger, he is having to make decisions that while they might not be the most popular with tax payers, are needed to be made instead of kicking it down the road. 100% agree we need an official residence for the PM, and I hope the opposition recognizes this fact.

 

[ArmyRick]

So we shouldn't have a safe, functional and secure residence for the leader of our country to live in and conduct official business? That's absurd.

Noticed Pierre isn't complaining about getting free residence in Stornoway, or the large amounts he spends as leader of opposition doing business. Both of those are just normal cost of Canadian democracy, and so is this.

This decision should have been made decades ago, nice to have a leader that will actually make a necessary decision. The fact that we pay a whack of money now for a building we can't use and is frankly an embarrassment is insane.

Did you even bother to read my post? The last 3 or 4? You have no clue what I even said.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Talking about building stuff?

The Liberal government just needs a little more time.

'major projects' mired in endless environmental review

Michael Higgins: Carney's so-called 'major projects' mired in endless environmental review

The prime minister's bold talk isn't getting anything built

nationalpost.com

When Prime Minister Mark Carney promised to build at speeds not seen in generations, Canadians could be forgiven for thinking he meant to actually accelerate projects.

Friday marks the one-year-anniversary of the Building Canada Act receiving Royal Assent and since that time not one “nation-building” project has been approved under the legislation.

On Wednesday, the Liberals made great fanfare in announcing they were moving forward with three “major projects” of national interest under the act. Aware, no doubt, that the anniversary was approaching they must have felt it politic to announce something.

But all they are doing is “initiating the process” to “potentially” list the projects as being of national interest under the act.

Blinding speeds not seen in generations.

 

[ArmyRick]

So we shouldn't have a safe, functional and secure residence for the leader of our country to live in and conduct official business? That's absurd.

24 Sussex needs to be fixed up, period. The Prime Minister is not a nobody, the second highest ranking person in our nation and the world spokes person for Canada. 24 Sussex is also a work place by default, the PM is the PM 24/7, 365 days a year.

Noticed Pierre isn't complaining about getting free residence in Stornoway,

Why would you throw this in my face? Pierre never bitched about it.

This decision should have been made decades ago, nice to have a leader that will actually make a necessary decision. The fact that we pay a whack of money now for a building we can't use and is frankly an embarrassment is insane.

And where did I disagree? Or the leader of the opposition.