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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead
« Reply #75 on: May 02, 2011, 12:16:36 »
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2011/05/02/osama-bin-laden-raid-pakistan.html

Got some pictures of the room he was killed in, I'm going to assume they have pictures of the body now.

EDIT: He was also apparently shot through the left eye, which would explain why they didn't just release his mug shot immediately.
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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead
« Reply #76 on: May 02, 2011, 15:28:19 »
I don't believe it for a second.  "Yep, we killed him!"
                                                 "Any pictures?"
                                                 "Errr, no, sorry, the camera battery died."
                                                 "Where's the body?"
                                                 "Ummmm... we dumped it in the ocean."
                                                 "And nobody had a cell phone or camera?"
                                                 "Nope, damned inconvenient too, sorry"
                                                 "I'm thinking it's the exact polar opposite of inconvenient, actually."

The body was dumped in the ocean so that his burial place could not become a holy site and the "burial" performed very quickly I believe due to muslim customs.

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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead
« Reply #77 on: May 02, 2011, 15:42:14 »
 ;D  See reply # 78
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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead
« Reply #78 on: May 02, 2011, 16:06:06 »
The body was dumped in the ocean so that his burial place could not become a holy site and the "burial" performed very quickly I believe due to muslim customs.

Won't the place where he was killed serve the same purpose?

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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead
« Reply #79 on: May 02, 2011, 16:08:42 »
From CNN
 "There are also photographs of the body with a gunshot wound to the side of the head that shows an individual who is recognizable as bin Laden, a U.S. government official said. No decision has yet been made on whether to release the photographs and if so, when and how. "
 
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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead
« Reply #80 on: May 02, 2011, 16:23:30 »
Won't the place where he was killed serve the same purpose?

Want the SEAL team to set semtex and raise the place to the ground? The fanatics will always find something to cling on to.

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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead
« Reply #81 on: May 02, 2011, 16:27:55 »
Want the SEAL team to set semtex and raise the place to the ground? The fanatics will always find something to cling on to.

Turn it into a toxic waste dump.  ;D
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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead
« Reply #83 on: May 02, 2011, 16:58:20 »
Turn it into a toxic waste dump.  ;D

Or a pig farm.

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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead
« Reply #84 on: May 02, 2011, 18:02:09 »
Or a pig farm.

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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead
« Reply #85 on: May 02, 2011, 18:19:07 »
This is an interesting but, ultimately, unimportant development.

Osama bin Laden was not, in and of himself, the or even a 'root cause' of the fundamentalist Islamist terror campaign. The real 'root causes' lie in the inability of Muslim states, of Muslim kings and sheiks and other assorted leaders, to give their peoples the benefits of great wealth and peace. Instead some kings and emirs and muftis preach hatred and fear - and they fund groups like al qaeda and things like the madrassas in Pakistan that created and now sustain the Taliban. Until we get at the source of the money - much of which comes from Saudi royalty who walk comfortably in the halls the White House - we will not be able to cut of one of the hydra's many heads. But the important heads, the ones which must be lopped off, are out of our reach. Only young Arabs and Persians and Pakistanis and so on and so forth can overthrow the old, corrupt regimes, forswear despair and hopelessness and lift themselves up by their own efforts.

Killing bin Laden is an interesting development, but it is not a way-station, not even a minor one, on road to peace.

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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead
« Reply #86 on: May 02, 2011, 18:21:22 »
How they found him:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=13512344

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One Unwary Phone Call Led US to Bin Laden Doorstep

An exclusive look inside the Pakistani mansion where Osama bin Laden was killed by US forces in Abbottabad, Pakistan, May 2, 2011. ABC News/AP PhotoAUTO START: ON | OFF

By ADAM GOLDMAN and MATT APUZZO Associated Press
WASHINGTON May 2, 2011 (AP)
When one of Osama bin Laden's most trusted aides picked up the phone last year, he unknowingly led U.S. pursuers to the doorstep of his boss, the world's most wanted terrorist.

That phone call, recounted Monday by a U.S. official, ended a years-long search for bin Laden's personal courier, the key break in a worldwide manhunt. The courier, in turn, led U.S. intelligence to a walled compound in northeast Pakistan, where a team of Navy SEALs shot bin Laden to death.

The violent final minutes were the culmination of years of intelligence work. Inside the CIA team hunting bin Laden, it always was clear that bin Laden's vulnerability was his couriers. He was too smart to let al-Qaida foot soldiers, or even his senior commanders, know his hideout. But if he wanted to get his messages out, somebody had to carry them, someone bin Laden trusted with his life.

In a secret CIA prison in Eastern Europe years ago, al-Qaida's No. 3 leader, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, gave authorities the nicknames of several of bin Laden's couriers, four former U.S. intelligence officials said. Those names were among thousands of leads the CIA was pursuing.

One man became a particular interest for the agency when another detainee, Abu Faraj al-Libi, told interrogators that when he was promoted to succeed Mohammed as al-Qaida's operational leader he received the word through a courier. Only bin Laden would have given al-Libi that promotion, CIA officials believed.

If they could find that courier, they'd find bin Laden.

The revelation that intelligence gleaned from the CIA's so-called black sites helped kill bin Laden was seen as vindication for many intelligence officials who have been repeatedly investigated and criticized for their involvement in a program that involved the harshest interrogation methods in U.S. history.

"We got beat up for it, but those efforts led to this great day," said Marty Martin, a retired CIA officer who for years led the hunt for bin Laden.

Mohammed did not reveal the names while being subjected to the simulated drowning technique known as waterboarding, former officials said. He identified them many months later under standard interrogation, they said, leaving it once again up for debate as to whether the harsh technique was a valuable tool or an unnecessarily violent tactic.

It took years of work for intelligence agencies to identify the courier's real name, which officials are not disclosing. When they did identify him, he was nowhere to be found. The CIA's sources didn't know where he was hiding. Bin Laden was famously insistent that no phones or computers be used near him, so the eavesdroppers at the National Security Agency kept coming up cold.

Then in the middle of last year, the courier had a telephone conversation with someone who was being monitored by U.S. intelligence, according to an American official, who like others interviewed for this story spoke only on condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive operation. The courier was located somewhere away from bin Laden's hideout when he had the discussion, but it was enough to help intelligence officials locate and watch him.

n August 2010, the courier unknowingly led authorities to a compound in the northeast Pakistani town of Abbottabad, where al-Libi had once lived. The walls surrounding the property were as high as 18 feet and topped with barbed wire. Intelligence officials had known about the house for years, but they always suspected that bin Laden would be surrounded by heavily armed security guards. Nobody patrolled the compound in Abbottabad.

In fact, nobody came or went. And no telephone or Internet lines ran from the compound. The CIA soon believed that bin Laden was hiding in plain sight, in a hideout especially built to go unnoticed. But since bin Laden never traveled and nobody could get onto the compound without passing through two security gates, there was no way to be sure.

Despite that uncertainty, intelligence officials realized this could represent the best chance ever to get to bin Laden. They decided not to share the information with anyone, including staunch counterterrorism allies such as Britain, Canada and Australia.

By mid-February, the officials were convinced a "high-value target" was hiding in the compound. President Barack Obama wanted to take action.

"They were confident and their confidence was growing: 'This is different. This intelligence case is different. What we see in this compound is different than anything we've ever seen before,'" John Brennan, the president's top counterterrorism adviser, said Monday. "I was confident that we had the basis to take action."

Options were limited. The compound was in a residential neighborhood in a sovereign country. If Obama ordered an airstrike and bin Laden was not in the compound, it would be a huge diplomatic problem. Even if Obama was right, obliterating the compound might make it nearly impossible to confirm bin Laden's death.

Said Brennan: "The president had to evaluate the strength of that information, and then made what I believe was one of the most gutsiest calls of any president in recent memory."

Obama tapped two dozen members of the Navy's elite SEAL Team Six to carry out a raid with surgical accuracy.

Before dawn Monday morning, a pair of helicopters left Jalalabad in eastern Afghanistan. The choppers entered Pakistani airspace using sophisticated technology intended to evade that country's radar systems, a U.S. official said.

Officially, it was a kill-or-capture mission, since the U.S. doesn't kill unarmed people trying to surrender. But it was clear from the beginning that whoever was behind those walls had no intention of surrendering, two U.S. officials said.

The helicopters lowered into the compound, dropping the SEALs behind the walls. No shots were fired, but shortly after the team hit the ground, one of the helicopters came crashing down and rolled onto its side for reasons the government has yet to explain. None of the SEALs was injured, however, and the mission continued uninterrupted.

With the CIA and White House monitoring the situation in real time — presumably by live satellite feed or video carried by the SEALs — the team stormed the compound.

Thanks to sophisticated satellite monitoring, U.S. forces knew they'd likely find bin Laden's family on the second and third floors of one of the buildings on the property, officials said. The SEALs secured the rest of the property first, then proceeded to the the room where bin Laden was hiding. In the ensuing firefight, Brennan said, bin Laden used a woman as a human shield.

The SEALs killed bin Laden with a bullet to the head.

Bin Laden's body was immediately identifiable, but the U.S. also conducted DNA testing that identified him with near 100 percent certainty, senior administration officials said. Photo analysis by the CIA, confirmation on site by a woman believed to be bin Laden's wife, and matching physical features such as bin Laden's height all helped confirm the identification. At the White House, there was no doubt.

"I think the accomplishment that very brave personnel from the United States government were able to realize yesterday is a defining moment in the war against al-Qaida, the war on terrorism, by decapitating the head of the snake known as al-Qaida," Brennan said.

U.S. forces searched the compound and flew away with documents, hard drives and DVDs that could provide valuable intelligence about al-Qaida, a U.S. official said. The entire operation took about 40 minutes, officials said.

Bin Laden's body was flown to the USS Carl Vinson in the North Arabian sea, a senior defense official said. There, aboard a U.S. warship, officials conducted a traditional Islamic burial ritual. Bin Laden's body was washed and placed in a white sheet. He was placed in a weighted bag that, after religious remarks by a military officer, was slipped into the sea about 2 a.m. EDT Monday.

Said the president: "I think we can all agree this is a good day for America."

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Associated Press writers Kimberly Dozier, Eileen Sullivan and Ben Feller in Washington and Kathy Gannon in Islamabad, Pakistan contributed to this report.
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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead
« Reply #87 on: May 02, 2011, 18:39:45 »
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U.S. forces searched the compound and flew away with documents, hard drives and DVDs that could provide valuable intelligence about al-Qaida, a U.S. official said.

This part, I think, is more important than the killing of OBL. 
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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead
« Reply #88 on: May 02, 2011, 18:42:56 »
This part, I think, is more important than the killing of OBL.

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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead
« Reply #89 on: May 02, 2011, 18:43:37 »
This part, I think, is more important than the killing of OBL.
Indeed.  Not only will we learn things to find more of the money & leadership, I suspect some of our enemy may become nervous and panicky in knowing that their information may now be in US hands.  Hopefully, this will prompt some of our enemies to make mistakes in acts they believe to be for self-preservation.

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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead
« Reply #90 on: May 02, 2011, 18:44:46 »
I think that information might be akin to decoding Capone's ledgerbook.... could bring down the whole network. They'll be spending too much time running to conduct counter-attacks.

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« Reply #91 on: May 02, 2011, 18:48:29 »
It's like Wikileaks, but in reverse!  ;D
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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead
« Reply #92 on: May 02, 2011, 18:51:39 »
Can we get out of Afghanistan now?
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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead
« Reply #93 on: May 02, 2011, 18:53:02 »
Dagny, this is not a battle over material goods. It's a moral crisis, the greatest the world has ever faced and the last. Our age is the climax of centuries of evil. We must put an end to it, once and for all, or perish - we, the men of the mind. It was our own guilt. We produced the wealth of the world - but we let our enemies write its moral code.

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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead
« Reply #94 on: May 02, 2011, 18:53:53 »
Well, just heard Obama's speech. I'll leave others to judge. I wanted to invoke Joe Friday. " Just the facts Ma'am"

He let Pakistan off and it started to sound like an election speech.

Kudos to the triggerman and the team. :salute:

Kudos to the triggerman and the team for sure :salute: however let's not be biased.  I doubt very much you'd be so critical if the speech was by GWB.  The call to use Special Forces instead of an airstrike could not have been an easy one to make.  The Commander-in-Chief considered the pros and cons of the different options and then made what John Brennan, Deputy National Security Advisor for Homeland Security and Counter-terrorism called "One of the gutsiest calls made by a president in recent memory".

I've noticed for a long while now that where some people on milnet.ca are concerned every dumbass decision by Bush Junior is excused but every achievement by Obama is downplayed or ridiculed.  As for his address sounding like an election speech, well he is a politician facing re-election soon.  Do you honestly think that a President Mc. Kain or Palin or Rodham-Clinton would not have tried to score at least some political mileage out of such an historic victory?

Again a great big salute to all the U.S., Canadian, British and other Special Forces and intelligence operatives who work quietly, courageously and often without recognition to make this world safer for all of us.  You're always in my thoughts and prayers.
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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead
« Reply #95 on: May 02, 2011, 18:54:32 »
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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead
« Reply #96 on: May 02, 2011, 18:56:50 »
Kudos to the triggerman and the team for sure :salute: however let's not be biased.  I doubt very much you'd be so critical if the speech was by GWB.  The call to use Special Forces instead of an airstrike could not have been an easy one to make.  The Commander-in-Chief considered the pros and cons of the different options and then made what John Brennan, Deputy National Security Advisor for Homeland Security and Counter-terrorism called "One of the gutsiest calls made by a president in recent memory".

I've noticed for a long while now that where some people on milnet.ca are concerned every dumbass decision by Bush Junior is excused but every achievement by Obama is downplayed or ridiculed.  As for his address sounding like an election speech, well he is a politician facing re-election soon.  Do you honestly think that a President Mc. Kain or Palin or Rodham-Clinton would not have tried to score at least some political mileage out of such an historic victory?

Again a great big salute to all the U.S., Canadian, British and other Special Forces and intelligence operatives who work quietly, courageously and often without recognition to make this world safer for all of us.  You're always in my thoughts and prayers.

I know the election threads are locked...is that why you're way off topic with this?

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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead
« Reply #97 on: May 02, 2011, 19:12:09 »
A good achievement, but i'm not sure that parading around celebrating is quite the way to go. Seems no better than what some Islam country crowds did on 9/11 in the streets.
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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead
« Reply #98 on: May 02, 2011, 19:16:35 »
Kudos to the triggerman and the team for sure :salute: however let's not be biased.  I doubt very much you'd be so critical if the speech was by GWB.  The call to use Special Forces instead of an airstrike could not have been an easy one to make.  The Commander-in-Chief considered the pros and cons of the different options and then made what John Brennan, Deputy National Security Advisor for Homeland Security and Counter-terrorism called "One of the gutsiest calls made by a president in recent memory".

I've noticed for a long while now that where some people on milnet.ca are concerned every dumbass decision by Bush Junior is excused but every achievement by Obama is downplayed or ridiculed.  As for his address sounding like an election speech, well he is a politician facing re-election soon.  Do you honestly think that a President Mc. Kain or Palin or Rodham-Clinton would not have tried to score at least some political mileage out of such an historic victory?

Again a great big salute to all the U.S., Canadian, British and other Special Forces and intelligence operatives who work quietly, courageously and often without recognition to make this world safer for all of us.  You're always in my thoughts and prayers.

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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead
« Reply #99 on: May 02, 2011, 19:16:44 »
Because they aren't celebrating killing three thousand civilians? Personally its interesting and I dont think it changes anything, but Im not going to judge people for celebrating killing the guy who wounded their country.
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